Lore 'hiccups'

[Guy Inkognito]

Having read a majority of available 40k books I notice that there are several issues that make me question who actually consulted Owlcat lorewise. For instance:
- A navigator is probably the most important person on a void ship for it would be literally stranded without one. They hardly ever leave their domain onboard the ship. To risk them on missions would be unthinkable.
- Terminology:
Heinrix is explaining that an inquisitors entourage is NOT called 'retinue' but 'adepts'. Only that in every book featuring the inquisition it is called 'retinue'...
'Technomat' is a term I've never seen. Usually the lower-than-magos mechanicus are called tech-adepts. There may be variations between forge worlds but this would be universally adequate.
- Equipped my Argenta with a sniper rifle. Ever seen a sniping sororitas? I think not. :P

There surely are more to come given I only reached chapter two.

[Guy Inkognito]

Ursprungligen skrivet av HuffingJenkem:

Navigators - Rogue Trader RPG
Inq. Acolytes - Dark Heresy RPG
Technomats - been in 40k since 1st edition. It's a maintenance servitor or layperson maintenance worker, not initiated into the Cult Mechanicus.
Sororitas snipers - there's no restriction what they wield off the battlefield

If you search the lexicanum wiki 'technomat' is not listed as a known term. There is only one book from the Horus Heresy series that features it. Given my understanding from the books there are almost no technically versed workers outside the mechanicum. Even the Astra Militarum has their tanks services by mechanicum trained engineseers. I remeber a few books where soldiers started tinkering but generally it seems to be highliy disencouraged.
One problem of the Imperium (not Mechanicus) being that they don't know how their own tech works.
Concerning sororitas snipers: you may be right. I think I remeber a single novel where they employed snipers. What irks me more is that Argenta is not wearing power armor from the start like every sororitas from the orders militant (and even lacks the knowledge). The thing with every bolter bigger than a bolt pistol is (by my knowledge) that they are so heavy they can only be wielded by someone wearing power armor.
Navigators and inqusition acolytes: fine by me. I read some rogue trader novels but their content didn't really stick. But if this is a separate lore like Necromunda, fine by me. Although I find the common lore concerning navigators in 40k more convincing.

[Guy Inkognito]

Ursprungligen skrivet av TheWhiteRabbit:

"There are lore hiccups i have read most of the books"

Proceeds to get smoked on lore.

Dosent realize their are between all of the books, audio dramas, short stories, anthologies. almost 520 peices of media/books to read for 40k. and that count was from afew years ago. NO ONE has read the majority of the Black library and remembers it in its maximum, baring the most well programmed of Logic storing Cogitators and servitors

Well I did read almost all of the novels listed in wikipedia (not including short stories. I hate short stories). That should suffice to gain some understanding of the lore.

[Khryst]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Guy Inkognito:

If you search the lexicanum wiki 'technomat' is not listed as a known term. There is only one book from the Horus Heresy series that features it. Given my understanding from the books there are almost no technically versed workers outside the mechanicum. Even the Astra Militarum has their tanks services by mechanicum trained engineseers. I remeber a few books where soldiers started tinkering but generally it seems to be highliy disencouraged.

From the Lexicanum site.

There are many types of Servitor, each designed for a certain task. Typical Servitors are "Technomats" which operate and service machines, "Holomats" which act as holographic recordists, "Lexomats" which are like human computers with tremendous calculating powers, and "Drones" which are living robots - stupid and essentially mindless slaves ideal for menial work and little else.

That is even listed as a source quote from the Realm of Chaos: The Lost and the Damned

which is part of a two book series (the other being Realm of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness) both of which are part of the Warhammer40k Rogue Trader First Edition.

[Guy Inkognito]

Ursprungligen skrivet av kblaze13:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Guy Inkognito:

If you search the lexicanum wiki 'technomat' is not listed as a known term. There is only one book from the Horus Heresy series that features it. Given my understanding from the books there are almost no technically versed workers outside the mechanicum. Even the Astra Militarum has their tanks services by mechanicum trained engineseers. I remeber a few books where soldiers started tinkering but generally it seems to be highliy disencouraged.

From the Lexicanum site.

There are many types of Servitor, each designed for a certain task. Typical Servitors are "Technomats" which operate and service machines, "Holomats" which act as holographic recordists, "Lexomats" which are like human computers with tremendous calculating powers, and "Drones" which are living robots - stupid and essentially mindless slaves ideal for menial work and little else.

That is even listed as a source quote from the Realm of Chaos: The Lost and the Damned

which is part of a two book series (the other being Realm of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness) both of which are part of the Warhammer40k Rogue Trader First Edition.

I didn't see that. Lexicanum search sucks. If you type 'technomat' you don't get the article. Only if you type 'technomats' (plural) or 'technomat*'. The term 'servitor' seems to be commonly used for the 'drone' types as there - as you wrote - is only one book that uses the term.

[Red_Theory]

If a navigator wants shore leave what are you going to do, tell them no and potentially get on their bad side?

[~ Fabulous ~]

Ursprungligen skrivet av YaGirlSTRAX:

Lol have you read warhammer 40k books, the whole lore is one massive hiccup, they need to do a massive retcon and revision

yeah where is the sensei in the current lore...lol

[Voodoo]

Only major lore problem i see is Idira, a rogue psyker who openly flaunts her powers and while this is something that might happen on rogue trader ship it becomes a major problem when you have interrogator for lord inquisitor and sister of battle on board, and only after major incident do they actually think that maybe they should end the witch...

[Khryst]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Guy Inkognito:

Ursprungligen skrivet av kblaze13:

From the Lexicanum site.

There are many types of Servitor, each designed for a certain task. Typical Servitors are "Technomats" which operate and service machines, "Holomats" which act as holographic recordists, "Lexomats" which are like human computers with tremendous calculating powers, and "Drones" which are living robots - stupid and essentially mindless slaves ideal for menial work and little else.

That is even listed as a source quote from the Realm of Chaos: The Lost and the Damned

which is part of a two book series (the other being Realm of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness) both of which are part of the Warhammer40k Rogue Trader First Edition.

I didn't see that. Lexicanum search sucks. If you type 'technomat' you don't get the article. Only if you type 'technomats' (plural) or 'technomat*'. The term 'servitor' seems to be commonly used for the 'drone' types as there - as you wrote - is only one book that uses the term.

Thing is that one book is a ROGUE TRADER book...what's the name of the game we're discussing again?

[Rhacius]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Guy Inkognito:

Having read a majority of available 40k books I notice that there are several issues that make me question who actually consulted Owlcat lorewise. For instance:
- A navigator is probably the most important person on a void ship for it would be literally stranded without one. They hardly ever leave their domain onboard the ship. To risk them on missions would be unthinkable.
- Terminology:
Heinrix is explaining that an inquisitors entourage is NOT called 'retinue' but 'adepts'. Only that in every book featuring the inquisition it is called 'retinue'...
'Technomat' is a term I've never seen. Usually the lower-than-magos mechanicus are called tech-adepts. There may be variations between forge worlds but this would be universally adequate.
- Equipped my Argenta with a sniper rifle. Ever seen a sniping sororitas? I think not. :P

There surely are more to come given I only reached chapter two.

maybe read the actual rogue trader books before spouting nonesense
1)Navigator have been a playable class, yes it is incredibly stupid to risk them in any way and yes there even are instances where your ship somehow manages to warp travel without one desptie the game itself claiming it is required. However it is still perfectly follows the ancient lore this game is based on, where you did the exact same thing.
2)schemantics and again you say it like an absolute however that is also not true, inquisitor entourage had more than one descriptor in the past 50 years. I think owlcat made the concious decision to destinguish them so it doesnt get confusing by refering to every followership as a retinue as it is certainly more common nowadays.
3) there is nothing against sororitas wielding sororitas in the RPG rulebook and just because the most common weapon you see them with tends to be the bolter or the flamer, doesn't strictly ban them from using other weapons. In fact the schola progenium gives them a training in most conventional combat weaponery, besides the rifle what is more conventional than a sniper weapon?

[Voodoo]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Rhacius:

1)Navigator have been a playable class, yes it is incredibly stupid to risk them in any way and yes there even are instances where your ship somehow manages to warp travel without one desptie the game itself claiming it is required. However it is still perfectly follows the ancient lore this game is based on, where you did the exact same thing.

Warp travel without navigator is possible, warp drives are able to calculate the jump, however they are only able to do so in realspace and warp is constantly shifting so max you get is about 5 ly before the reading becomes outdated and jump inaccurate.
Its the same principle tau use to travel.

[Daemeous]

Here's one for you:
Argenta's Godwyn Pattern Bolter: 6-10 Damage
Bolt Pistol: 8-12
Normal Bolter: 9-14
Heavy Bolter: 6-9

I get the gameplay reasons for it, but my brother in the Emperor. Bolters fire .75 calibre rockets and Heavy Bolters fire .998 calibre rockets...even the tabletop makes this clear. Bolters (and the pistol) do 6-15 damage (1d10+5), whereas Heavy Bolters do 4-22 (2d10+2)

And 60 strength or not, I suspect you aren't seeing any one person...apart from a specific Catachan...using this outside of power armour, unless with a very rare Deathwatch suspensor. What these stats are more fitting is a Heavy Stubber

[Sarcastro]

Here is a whole book about a Rogue Trader and his navigator companion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RY7NVhdl9E

[Voodoo]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Daemeous:

Here's one for you:
Argenta's Godwyn Pattern Bolter:

Godwyn MKIVb is standard poster boy astartes pattern.

This should be godwyn-de'az, though ingame model indeed shows it as godwyn so who the hell knows at what point they goofed.

[Daemeous]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Voodoo:

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Godwyn MKIVb is standard poster boy astartes pattern.

This should be godwyn-de'az, though ingame model indeed shows it as godwyn so who the hell knows at what point they goofed.

Right on all counts, that's the Adepta's standard pattern...though a quick google does seem to show a fair amount of them using the Standard Godwyn pattern too. The model in the game is straight up the first Boltgun you see on the Lexicanum page, the same flying skull decoration and practically the same colours to boot.

[Voodoo]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Daemeous:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Voodoo:

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Godwyn MKIVb is standard poster boy astartes pattern.

This should be godwyn-de'az, though ingame model indeed shows it as godwyn so who the hell knows at what point they goofed.

Right on all counts, that's the Adepta's standard pattern...though a quick google does seem to show a fair amount of them using the Standard Godwyn pattern too. The model in the game is straight up the first Boltgun you see on the Lexicanum page, the same flying skull decoration and practically the same colours to boot.

If it was supposed to be godwyn deaz it should be slimmer, shorter in both height and length and should almost certainly have fleur de lys on it or possibly inquisitorial eye.
Their magazines are also see through unlike marine bolters which are covered.

Also if sister allowed her weapon to fall into such state of disrepair as described in the game she would be directed to her sister superior to receive discipline.