*Spoilers* Leaving Blade Shard in Tutorial Behind

[Balekai]

So I was messing around with an end of Tutorial save after nearing the end of Chapter 1 (unfortunately lol), and forgot to pick up the Blade Shard (I was just testing a possible ship name bug or something, so i didn't care).

*As a side note I also noticed this time that with Toy Box dialogue previews on, the dialogue response to the tutorial Warp Entity Edge of Daybreak, that begins with "Do your worst i'm saving my people" or some such, has a unique etude condition activation called "Etude Prologue_Hope Status: Playing.' Thought I would mention that before getting into the red meat of the topic, for anyone interested in optimal Iconoclast/Hope choices which this topic is about.*

Anyways what happened next was after meeting with the Officers for the first time on the bridge after Tutorial end, there was a whole new dialogue scene after the Idira/Argenta scene. It has Factorum Janris bringing my RT the blade shard that wasn't picked up, thinking it may be important. Unlike picking it up right away, you now get three conviction choices: Keep it (+3 Heretical), get rid of it (+3 Dogmatic) and have Janris keep it to give to Inquisitor (+3 Iconoclast). If you pick the latter two the Entity/Baddies in your head get really angry, like in Beta Chapter 1 throwing away the dagger down the Reactor. Not only is this free conviction points, but it got me thinking and now I'm likely to restart from the beginning of Chapter 1:

Based off Owlcat's history... especially in Wotr with the purple shard and the godhood ending , whether there's some quirky major endgame implications to how you do things in the beginning of the game.

For example if you don't pick up or touch the blade shard ever, but still technically "have it," does that mess with Edge of Daybreak's prophecy?

Just in chapter 1 I can see some events playing out differently. Like the ghosts visiting you and the entity to try and anoint/direct you further as a Chaos Champion. No Shard in your possession no dream? No anointment? No championess? While still having the items and being able to do something crazy endgame with them?

I don't know, but i'm going to test it out and see how things may play out differently. Anyone else progressed further through the game compared to me by doing the above? Anyone know how it all pans out?

Anyways I just wanted to give people out there a heads up. :)

Edit: One last thing if you do decide to leave it behind, make sure you pick the other items off the corpse. :)

[Ad'Nar]

I have a strange thing happening. I picked up the blade shard myself and Janis did not bring it to me. Weird thing is, when I have the ghost dream I have 3 answers. Yes master, Im the swords master, and an option to throw it away. I went through the answers and I dont get an Iconoclast response to hold on to it for the inquisitor. I only get a heretical response or dogmatic response. Kind of a shame as it seemed giving it to inquisitor had better story to it.

[Balekai]

Originally posted by Ad'Nar:

I have a strange thing happening. I picked up the blade shard myself and Janis did not bring it to me. Weird thing is, when I have the ghost dream I have 3 answers. Yes master, Im the swords master, and an option to throw it away. I went through the answers and I dont get an Iconoclast response to hold on to it for the inquisitor. I only get a heretical response or dogmatic response. Kind of a shame as it seemed giving it to inquisitor had better story to it.

This is what I had before I accidentally discovered the other "path" of just not picking it up at the very beginning of the game. That's because I just auto looted the shard from the dead Heir's bones (in the middle of the ritual circle, not the Chaos Spawn version of him) like everyone else, and never thought there could be another line of plot for not picking it up.

Like you said the only other dialogue spinoff with the later ghost event is the non-imperial option to get rid of the blade shard if you completely resist the temptation of holding the Chaos Blade.

It's also one of the reasons i'm playing through again as I mentioned and you mentioned. The ghost event doesn't really mimic the Janris event at the very beginning of Chapter 1. No Iconoclast option and it seems your RT's "corruption" has begun in earnest.

I will keep this topic posted on what comes from the replay of events. Whether the dream changes and some other things. I already spotted an etude when you instruct Janris to keep the shard. It seems like there's an errand activated for later and it's called something like "What happened to that blade shard anyways?"

[Ad'Nar]

Yeah, I read somewhere that the Iconoclast option had the most story to it. I was puzzled when I couldnt find the option. This isnt the first time its happened for me. I also noticed a similar event during the Navis Nobilite station and obtaining the House Orselio GUARDIAN staff instead of the Orselio staff. I never obtained the guardian staff because I always been attacked by the keeper downstairs after questioning him.

[Balekai]

I missed that the first time too on Eurac V in the Beta, but ended up going back over it a few hours later after reading up on the various outcomes. Mostly just getting the order of events right. Basically find all Evidence --> Go back to Nav downstairs --> Challenge him on all of it ---> pick the small dialogue at thebottom that accuses him of being behind coup--> agree to help him by taking Cassia with you ---> Go upstairs calm Cassia --> Talk to other Navigator --> Make a deal with him pointing out the one below is a true baddie (he is) ---> fight him together and optimal ending. Although you don't get the conviction ranks this way (unless I keep passing a Willpower check vs Cassia that blocks them).

Anyways I did make it back to where I was and the Ghost Scene? Never happens. You just land on the next mission when you go with the early Iconoclast option with Janris, after leaving the Shard behind during tutorial, then letting him keep it for giving to Heinrix. The option to sacrifice the Servitors during the errand quest right before the ghost scene doesn't show up either, because you don't have the knife. :p

So there definitely is a different plot track it seems. At least to that point.

[BaronZen]

Has someone found or knows what the full rebuilt chaos blade could give?

[=DeadShot=]

You need I think chaos run. Most runs so far are Dogmatic/Iconoclast

[RobOda]

I rejected it and it fails a quest (can't remember when it triggered, sometime in chapter 1?).

So, the quest is the Blade of Daybreak (or something like that), and basically implies that if you keep it, the challenge is to become a champion of Chaos.

So, pretty much the only reason to keep it around is if you're content flirting with Chaos. My dogmatic run, I'm obviously not dealing with it. :P

[Kel'Ithra]

Shard was locked away in my game and the second one was uhhh accidently tossed into oblivion.

[BaronZen]

Originally posted by RobOda:

I rejected it and it fails a quest (can't remember when it triggered, sometime in chapter 1?).

So, the quest is the Blade of Daybreak (or something like that), and basically implies that if you keep it, the challenge is to become a champion of Chaos.

So, pretty much the only reason to keep it around is if you're content flirting with Chaos. My dogmatic run, I'm obviously not dealing with it. :P

Thinking to start a run with a heretic crime lord warrior/assassin (with drukari equipment maybe?), although i would shift to a psyker if the sword would be something related to psy power, which is possible at least on a TT basys.

For an iconoclast run i started the sanctic psyker/ officer although i suspect it could be nerfed because doing heroic acts every turn in unfair doesnt seems "work as intended" and in total honesty i would prefer a commissar as officer, but cant find much builds around beside the sanctic.

[RobOda]

Originally posted by BaronZen:

Originally posted by RobOda:

I rejected it and it fails a quest (can't remember when it triggered, sometime in chapter 1?).

So, the quest is the Blade of Daybreak (or something like that), and basically implies that if you keep it, the challenge is to become a champion of Chaos.

So, pretty much the only reason to keep it around is if you're content flirting with Chaos. My dogmatic run, I'm obviously not dealing with it. :P

Thinking to start a run with a heretic crime lord warrior/assassin (with drukari equipment maybe?), although i would shift to a psyker if the sword would be something related to psy power, which is possible at least on a TT basys.

For an iconoclast run i started the sanctic psyker/ officer although i suspect it could be nerfed because doing heroic acts every turn in unfair doesnt seems "work as intended" and in total honesty i would prefer a commissar as officer, but cant find much builds around beside the sanctic.

Crime Lord, Operative (INT synergy) would be my run for a heretic RT.

But I'd imagine anything works ofc. :)

[BaronZen]

Originally posted by RobOda:

Originally posted by BaronZen:

Thinking to start a run with a heretic crime lord warrior/assassin (with drukari equipment maybe?), although i would shift to a psyker if the sword would be something related to psy power, which is possible at least on a TT basys.

For an iconoclast run i started the sanctic psyker/ officer although i suspect it could be nerfed because doing heroic acts every turn in unfair doesnt seems "work as intended" and in total honesty i would prefer a commissar as officer, but cant find much builds around beside the sanctic.

Crime Lord, Operative (INT synergy) would be my run for a heretic RT.

But I'd imagine anything works ofc. :)

We have already Pasqal as operative (bounty hunter Is a must for operative) and he Is mandatory because of the High tech use,there Is also the eldar which Is another operative but sniper, for an assassin or we spec Heinrix toward it or we wait for the drukari buy that Will be at act 3.
Well there are many possibilities but for me all depends if they nerf or no the sanctic/officer combo because if It works as intended It Is the most busted class atm, able to make the whole party to cast heroics every turn even in unfair difficulty, and since he use sword and pistol It Is possibile ti do a heretic using this mysterious Blade we are speaking of even if he invokes the emperor lol.

[Ad'Nar]

Originally posted by Balekai:

I missed that the first time too on Eurac V in the Beta, but ended up going back over it a few hours later after reading up on the various outcomes. Mostly just getting the order of events right. Basically find all Evidence --> Go back to Nav downstairs --> Challenge him on all of it ---> pick the small dialogue at thebottom that accuses him of being behind coup--> agree to help him by taking Cassia with you ---> Go upstairs calm Cassia --> Talk to other Navigator --> Make a deal with him pointing out the one below is a true baddie (he is) ---> fight him together and optimal ending. Although you don't get the conviction ranks this way (unless I keep passing a Willpower check vs Cassia that blocks them).

Anyways I did make it back to where I was and the Ghost Scene? Never happens. You just land on the next mission when you go with the early Iconoclast option with Janris, after leaving the Shard behind during tutorial, then letting him keep it for giving to Heinrix. The option to sacrifice the Servitors during the errand quest right before the ghost scene doesn't show up either, because you don't have the knife. :p

So there definitely is a different plot track it seems. At least to that point.

I just got the servitor quest. This is after telling Janis to keep the blade for the inquisitor and also handing over the knife found on Aurora. (instead of throwing it in the reactor) When I got back on board I had the servitor quest. Even had the option of having pascal Join me. There was no option to stab the servitors with a dagger in the story scene though. Ghost scene has not popped up yet but Ill let you know if it does.

[Mr D Grim]

Do keep us updated :D i really want to know the events of saving it for the inquisitor.

[=DeadShot=]

for heretic run you get the best with a psyker.

[Mr D Grim]

Originally posted by Balekai:

Originally posted by Ad'Nar:

I have a strange thing happening. I picked up the blade shard myself and Janis did not bring it to me. Weird thing is, when I have the ghost dream I have 3 answers. Yes master, Im the swords master, and an option to throw it away. I went through the answers and I dont get an Iconoclast response to hold on to it for the inquisitor. I only get a heretical response or dogmatic response. Kind of a shame as it seemed giving it to inquisitor had better story to it.

I will keep this topic posted on what comes from the replay of events. Whether the dream changes and some other things. I already spotted an etude when you instruct Janris to keep the shard. It seems like there's an errand activated for later and it's called something like "What happened to that blade shard anyways?"

Btw i think that etude is literally only the janus coming to you after the prologue bit it seems to complete when picking any of the conviction choices.