Voidships

[Shadowblade]

I always learn something new about 40k every time I interact with it. After talking to the Vox Master, apparently Voidships are like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ countries? or states? People start whole all families on these things? In fact there's like, lineages and ♥♥♥♥? How ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ big are these voidships??? And where can I learn more??

[Bladeslayer]

No it's the Elder who call their ships that they have three ship types including a battleship. It was in the back of my mind the Imperium does not na,e their ships like that. Void Stones etc.

Elder Void Craft Cruiser.

[Kadaeux]

Originally posted by Bladeslayer:

No it's the Elder who call their ships that they have three ship types including a battleship. It was in the back of my mind the Imperium does not na,e their ships like that. Void Stones etc.

Void Craft Cruiser.

No, literally all spacecraft in 40k are referred to as voidships.

[Bladeslayer]

Originally posted by Kadaeux:

Originally posted by Bladeslayer:

No it's the Elder who call their ships that they have three ship types including a battleship. It was in the back of my mind the Imperium does not na,e their ships like that. Void Stones etc.

Void Craft Cruiser.

No, literally all spacecraft in 40k are referred to as voidships.

You could say the same with Space I can't find anything on the net except quotes to this game. Any lore including the link has no name of that class. If you can find something cool I stand corrected.

[Bladeslayer]

I have been listening to Blades Of Damocles again lately it has no mention of ithem.

[Bladeslayer]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Eldar_Space_Fleet this is closest I can find and no way the Imperium would change a name of a ship type to an Elder one.

[Daliena]

There's no ship-class called "Voidship".

It's a generic term, like "Spacecraft".

[Bladeslayer]

Originally posted by Daliena:

There's no ship-class called "Voidship".

It's a generic term, like "Spacecraft".

It's a well used word Void. in the Elder language, three ship types including Void Cruiser it's a pride thing also.

[Kadaeux]

Originally posted by Bladeslayer:

Originally posted by Daliena:

There's no ship-class called "Voidship".

It's a generic term, like "Spacecraft".

It's a well used word Void. in the Elder language, three ship types including Void Cruiser it's a pride thing also.

Maybe you're not smart enough to understand.

It's a generic term for spaceship. The same way 'car' is a generic term for automobile, or bike is for bicycle. Is it a spaceship? If Y then it's a voidship.

Voidship is just 40k speak for spaceship.

[Helldiver]

Originally posted by Voodoo:

The ship we have ingame is not actually sword class, its actually firestorm with extra lance and broadsides added, unless somebody actually wants to tell me they modified sword class by removing 1 dorsal, adding broadsides and somehow still fit torpedos and lance feat which is normally only possible on light cruisers or heavier.

as for crew.
These frigates usually have 24-26k
Light crusiers roughly 60-75k
Cruisers can be as little as 50k to 95k
Battlecruisers 98-107k
Grand Cruisers 112-141k

For those who wanna know little factoid.
Space marine gladius frigate, have this entire crew servicing 10 marines.
Strike Cruiser, 1 company 100 marines, sometimes with attachements like techmarines
Battlebarge bigger even than grand cruiser is only ship which can actually hold entire chapter.

They don't. You failed to read my post where I quoted Andy Chambers who wrote Battlefleet Gothic and Armada.

I can't be arsed to find the Black Library book that wrote numbers like that who the author later explained he exaggerated along with the length of a battleship being 30+ KM or something.

That information was used by Fantasy Flight for some reason and not corrected. Ergo the wikis state the 26k number.

But modern AIRCRAFT CARRIERS have 5000+ crew
Air craft carriers....
Frigates have crews in the 100's (200 or so)
https://www.britannica.com/technology/frigate

A sword class or Firestorm class (both are the same, just their armanent is different), would be about the equivalent of a modern Cruiser. With a crew compliment of about 500-1000.

Let's assume they're the size of an Aicraft Carrier like a Nimitz, that's still a crew compliment of about 5000 if you wanted to be conservative.

But 26,000? That's insane given the size and how much food and resources you would need for how long it takes to travel the warp.

Warp travel and space travel isn't an instantaneous affair, but can take years. Do you realize how much space, food (even a bare minimum dehydrated food ration) would take?

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by Helldiver:

Originally posted by Voodoo:

The ship we have ingame is not actually sword class, its actually firestorm with extra lance and broadsides added, unless somebody actually wants to tell me they modified sword class by removing 1 dorsal, adding broadsides and somehow still fit torpedos and lance feat which is normally only possible on light cruisers or heavier.

as for crew.
These frigates usually have 24-26k
Light crusiers roughly 60-75k
Cruisers can be as little as 50k to 95k
Battlecruisers 98-107k
Grand Cruisers 112-141k

For those who wanna know little factoid.
Space marine gladius frigate, have this entire crew servicing 10 marines.
Strike Cruiser, 1 company 100 marines, sometimes with attachements like techmarines
Battlebarge bigger even than grand cruiser is only ship which can actually hold entire chapter.

They don't. You failed to read my post where I quoted Andy Chambers who wrote Battlefleet Gothic and Armada.

I can't be arsed to find the Black Library book that wrote numbers like that who the author later explained he exaggerated along with the length of a battleship being 30+ KM or something.

That information was used by Fantasy Flight for some reason and not corrected. Ergo the wikis state the 26k number.

But modern AIRCRAFT CARRIERS have 5000+ crew
Air craft carriers....
Frigates have crews in the 100's (200 or so)
https://www.britannica.com/technology/frigate

A sword class or Firestorm class (both are the same, just their armanent is different), would be about the equivalent of a modern Cruiser. With a crew compliment of about 500-1000.

Let's assume they're the size of an Aicraft Carrier like a Nimitz, that's still a crew compliment of about 5000 if you wanted to be conservative.

But 26,000? That's insane given the size and how much food and resources you would need for how long it takes to travel the warp.

Warp travel and space travel isn't an instantaneous affair, but can take years. Do you realize how much space, food (even a bare minimum dehydrated food ration) would take?

umm im tad confused, the numbers you quote are for crew

k=1.000
26k=26.000

also gloriana

Officially classified as a type of command Battle Barge, the vessels were around 20 kilometers in length, though their size and appearance varied greatly.
The Gloriana Class vessels are the largest known Imperial warships after the Phalanx and Furious Abyss-class vessels.

also biggest grand cruiser we have solid numbers on is


Avenger- Class Grand cruiser
Dimensions: 7.5 km long, 1.8 km abeam at fins approx.
Mass: 40 megatonnes approx.
Crew: 141,000 crew, approx.
Accel: 2.2 gravities max sustainable acceleration.

biggest battlecruiser
Mars-Class Battlecruiser
Dimensions: 5.4km long,0.85 km abeam at fins approx.
Mass: 33 megatonnes approx.
Crew: 107,000 crew, approx.
Accel: 2.3 gravities max sustainable acceleration

scale simply doesnt work if battleship is supposedly 5 times as long.

[Helldiver]

Originally posted by Voodoo:

scale simply doesnt work if battleship is supposedly 5 times as long.

Your size numbers are correct and what's in the lore.

Why are crew numbers small?

Simple and it was explained in one of the interviews but I scoured the internet and can't find it.

It's the same problem modern Cruise Ships (the Carnival Cruises sort) has: FOOD.... In particular space for Food.

Imperial navies spend years in space. One of the reasons for the failure of Terra's rescue during the horus heresy was specifically the failure of the imperial navy to get their in time.

For a frigate to have a compliment of 26,000 souls, can you imagine how much space would be devoted to 20+ years of Food for them? Assuming they grow the food or recycle the crew into food you run into all sorts of other problems with space.

As such for a warp capable vessel that's approximately 1km in length, 1000-1500 is more reasonable as most of the space aboard the vessel would be for the crews food and resources or the production of such. They'll be in space for 10's of years, sometimes hundreds of years before they can reach a port or planet to replenish. It's actually been the linchpin for a few Black Library stories and naval catastrophes and mutinies.

[Kadaeux]

Originally posted by Helldiver:

Originally posted by Voodoo:

The ship we have ingame is not actually sword class, its actually firestorm with extra lance and broadsides added, unless somebody actually wants to tell me they modified sword class by removing 1 dorsal, adding broadsides and somehow still fit torpedos and lance feat which is normally only possible on light cruisers or heavier.

as for crew.
These frigates usually have 24-26k
Light crusiers roughly 60-75k
Cruisers can be as little as 50k to 95k
Battlecruisers 98-107k
Grand Cruisers 112-141k

For those who wanna know little factoid.
Space marine gladius frigate, have this entire crew servicing 10 marines.
Strike Cruiser, 1 company 100 marines, sometimes with attachements like techmarines
Battlebarge bigger even than grand cruiser is only ship which can actually hold entire chapter.

They don't. You failed to read my post where I quoted Andy Chambers who wrote Battlefleet Gothic and Armada.

I can't be arsed to find the Black Library book that wrote numbers like that who the author later explained he exaggerated along with the length of a battleship being 30+ KM or something.

That information was used by Fantasy Flight for some reason and not corrected. Ergo the wikis state the 26k number.

But modern AIRCRAFT CARRIERS have 5000+ crew
Air craft carriers....
Frigates have crews in the 100's (200 or so)
https://www.britannica.com/technology/frigate

A sword class or Firestorm class (both are the same, just their armanent is different), would be about the equivalent of a modern Cruiser. With a crew compliment of about 500-1000.

Let's assume they're the size of an Aicraft Carrier like a Nimitz, that's still a crew compliment of about 5000 if you wanted to be conservative.

But 26,000? That's insane given the size and how much food and resources you would need for how long it takes to travel the warp.

Warp travel and space travel isn't an instantaneous affair, but can take years. Do you realize how much space, food (even a bare minimum dehydrated food ration) would take?

So your whining excuse is "i'm a whiny ♥♥♥♥♥ and I'm going to take numbers that weren't really supported in the lore"

An Aircraft Carrier under 400 metres long has 5000+ crew.
A Sword Class Cruiser is 1.6km long on average.

FFG has no need to correct ship size and crew numbers. None at all.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by Helldiver:

Originally posted by Voodoo:

scale simply doesnt work if battleship is supposedly 5 times as long.

Your size numbers are correct and what's in the lore.

Why are crew numbers small?

Simple and it was explained in one of the interviews but I scoured the internet and can't find it.

It's the same problem modern Cruise Ships (the Carnival Cruises sort) has: FOOD.... In particular space for Food.

Imperial navies spend years in space. One of the reasons for the failure of Terra's rescue during the horus heresy was specifically the failure of the imperial navy to get their in time.

For a frigate to have a compliment of 26,000 souls, can you imagine how much space would be devoted to 20+ years of Food for them? Assuming they grow the food or recycle the crew into food you run into all sorts of other problems with space.

As such for a warp capable vessel that's approximately 1km in length, 1000-1500 is more reasonable as most of the space aboard the vessel would be for the crews food and resources or the production of such. They'll be in space for 10's of years, sometimes hundreds of years before they can reach a port or planet to replenish. It's actually been the linchpin for a few Black Library stories and naval catastrophes and mutinies.

Im yet again confused...

But alright man, let me go through it.

40k ships dont carry 20 years of food, they carry 6 months to a year tops, they also recycle dead bodies and even feces into food, only the proper high officers get any kind of actual food and even among those fresh food is reserved for captain and command staff.

[Daliena]

Originally posted by Kadaeux:

An Aircraft Carrier under 400 metres long has 5000+ crew.
A Sword Class Cruiser is 1.6km long on average.

FFG has no need to correct ship size and crew numbers. None at all.

Longer, almost certainly taller, not to mention wider.

A quick Googling says that the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier is around 330 meters long, 77 meters wide at it's fattest point, and I can't find an official measurement of it's height. And it has a complement of 3500 crew members just to run the damn thing, and another 2500 for the air wing.

Now try 1.3 kilometers long, and 0.3km abeam at it's fins. And these things are pretty dang tall.

And they're not only carrying the crew necessary to run everything - with comparatively little automation because AI is treated with about the same opinion as Space Satan - but also the people to keep the menials in line, because this ain't always some volunteer force proud to serve their country. Sometimes they'll riot or mutiny, or even be outright corrupted into becoming insane servants of Space Hell.

Oh, and most Nimitz-class carriers probably ALSO don't need to be concerned about boarders, but 40k ships do. I could probably go on if need be.

[Helldiver]

Originally posted by Voodoo:

But alright man, let me go through it.

40k ships dont carry 20 years of food, they carry 6 months to a year tops, they also recycle dead bodies and even feces into food, only the proper high officers get any kind of actual food and even among those fresh food is reserved for captain and command staff.

They would have to carry more than that do to the distances involved. Imperial Navy ships have massive areas of the Milky Way to patrol, entire segmentums in some cases. Yes you're right that system patrol ships may have enough resources for 6 months to a year. But despite warp travel being quick, it can still take up a lot of time especially for the distances required on such patrols.

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Immaterium?file=Warp_time.png