Questions on Psy vs Mental damage

[domino]

Are they the same thing?

Ultimately I'm trying to find out if Aftershock works with Lightning Arc.

I think damage types could be a bit more clearly defined and labeled in the game. Still loving it, the UI is just...not great.

[HuffingJenkem]

Lightning Arc is Shock damage according to Toybox.

Mental damage is Mind Rupture, Psychic Shriek and Psychic Assault, as well as the Vision of Death staff power

[domino]

Originally posted by HuffingJenkem:

Lightning Arc is Shock damage according to Toybox

Tyvm for the quick response.

now I'm curious what toybox is. From my google search it looks like it is a mod that

" is a cute and playful mod with 500+ cheats, tweaks and quality of life improvements for WH 40K Rogue Trader"

Which doesn't sound down my alley but ty again for the answer, I do really appreciate it.

[HuffingJenkem]

Originally posted by domino:

Originally posted by HuffingJenkem:

Lightning Arc is Shock damage according to Toybox

Tyvm for the quick response.

now I'm curious what toybox is. From my google search it looks like it is a mod that

" is a cute and playful mod with 500+ cheats, tweaks and quality of life improvements for WH 40K Rogue Trader"

Which doesn't sound down my alley but ty again for the answer, I do really appreciate it.

It's a mod that has various cheats but also lets you examine game data and has some QoL fixes like permanent object highlighting (main reason I downloaded it).

[Red Star, Blood Moon]

Originally posted by HuffingJenkem:

Lightning Arc is Shock damage according to Toybox.

Mental damage is Mind Rupture, Psychic Shriek and Psychic Assault, as well as the Vision of Death staff power

I'm so confused though, why does the chain lightning and psychic shriek clearly degrade the veil then? Isn't this psychic abilities? I'm just really confused about the difference, not just by wording but also I mean canonically isn't warp damage ultimately the same basic thing as psychic energy? Like it is literally psychic energy. The immaterium is itself made from the psychic energies and emotions of most sentient beings, with even the Tyranids leaving a shadow in the warp due to their psychic hivemind. The Orks' weird gestalt ability also being dependent on basically the warp, the same as Eldar because "derp durr it's warp magic I aint gotta explain ♥♥♥♥" with basically every single magical or sorcerous thing being just "the Warp stuff." So even how a power is mental not warp damage is weird to me, particularly given it ALL seems to cause psychic phenomena through breaching the warp barrier.

I'm trying to figure out how to build Idira, basically there's like 4 different abilities but two of them talk about mental damage as though it's specifically not Warp Damage. Which would seem useful on Cassia more than her. So lightning is shock damage not warp?? Shriek damage is mental? Wait then what the F is pyromancy is that all subcategories of burn damage? What is warp damage then?

[Ash]

Originally posted by Red Star, Blood Moon:

Originally posted by HuffingJenkem:

Lightning Arc is Shock damage according to Toybox.

Mental damage is Mind Rupture, Psychic Shriek and Psychic Assault, as well as the Vision of Death staff power

I'm so confused though, why does the chain lightning and psychic shriek clearly degrade the veil then? ....
Wait then what the F is pyromancy is that all subcategories of burn damage? What is warp damage then?

In order to use their abilities, psykers in WH40K draw a certain amount of energy from the Warp and after that transform it to their needs. That energy could be turned into electricity (ingame staff power, though in PnP psykers are able to do it without staves) or flames (pyromancy abilities) or it can be used to amplify mental abilities (Psychic shriek), or used to enhance bodily functions (Biomancy)...
It also can be used raw, which is pure warp damage, or mixed with the elements (warp flames).

No matter the usage of this energy, it's the act of drawing it what degrades the Veil. Think of it like a drilling a hole in the self-repairing dam in order to get some water. If you drill too much holes in any given place through the short time, the dam won't manage to fix itself and you (and everyone around) will be flooded (that's what perils of Warp are).

It's somewhat similar to how we can use electricity to heat stuff or to cool stuff or to make stuff move or to just zap stuff with electric current.

[hilburnashua]

Originally posted by Red Star, Blood Moon:

Originally posted by HuffingJenkem:

Lightning Arc is Shock damage according to Toybox.

Mental damage is Mind Rupture, Psychic Shriek and Psychic Assault, as well as the Vision of Death staff power

I'm so confused though, why does the chain lightning and psychic shriek clearly degrade the veil then? Isn't this psychic abilities? I'm just really confused about the difference, not just by wording but also I mean canonically isn't warp damage ultimately the same basic thing as psychic energy? Like it is literally psychic energy. The immaterium is itself made from the psychic energies and emotions of most sentient beings, with even the Tyranids leaving a shadow in the warp due to their psychic hivemind. The Orks' weird gestalt ability also being dependent on basically the warp, the same as Eldar because "derp durr it's warp magic I aint gotta explain ♥♥♥♥" with basically every single magical or sorcerous thing being just "the Warp stuff." So even how a power is mental not warp damage is weird to me, particularly given it ALL seems to cause psychic phenomena through breaching the warp barrier.

I'm trying to figure out how to build Idira, basically there's like 4 different abilities but two of them talk about mental damage as though it's specifically not Warp Damage. Which would seem useful on Cassia more than her. So lightning is shock damage not warp?? Shriek damage is mental? Wait then what the F is pyromancy is that all subcategories of burn damage? What is warp damage then?

All psychic powers in the game degrade the veil. When the veil gets degraded enough you can have random warp effects from penalties to stats to health damage all the way up to demons showing up. I think any damage caused by a psychic power is considered warp damage.

What I don't understand is why Cassie's third eye power doesn't seem to be a psychic effect because it never degrades the veil. But I have never been that heavy into 40k lore.

[Bombast]

Originally posted by hilburnashua:

What I don't understand is why Cassie's third eye power doesn't seem to be a psychic effect because it never degrades the veil. But I have never been that heavy into 40k lore.

The third eye is caused by the navigator gene, whose purpose is to attune the mutant to the warp. This allows them to view the warp without going insane, and interact with the warp without fear of corruption, even more so than trained, Terra sanctioned psykers.

When a navigator exposes others to the 3rd eye, they're not so much invoking the warp as they are exposing others to the powers of the warp they are perpetually exposed to. It doesn't tend to go so well.