Someone explain how Arch-Militant versatility works

[Legion]

I need help I have play tested this skill and I and still confused.

Text if that helps
Whenever the Arch-Militant uses an attack that is of a different type from their previous attack, the Arch-Militant gains a stack of versatility. The types of attacks can be single shot, single melee attack, area melee attack, area shot, or burst shot. The Arch-Militant gains +5 WS and BS for every stack of versatility. If the Arch-Militant has 4 or more stacks of versatility, the Arch-Militant deals an additional +(WS bonus / 2) or +(BS bonus / 2) damage, whichever is highest.


So I have my character cycle their weapons and try different combos of attacks Some times I get a stack of versatility and some times I dont. Things like single shot Plasma to Area Plasma Do not build stacks for example. Per the text above that should work.

So I tried Single shot Plasma and Single shot bolter. Still does not work. Is it bugged like this for anyone else

[Drake]

I'm pretty sure it needs to be completely different. Like single shot plasma and single shot bolter wouldn't work, be cause it's still single shot. Versatility is more of a melee/range thing.
So alterning between single melee to single shot would work for example.

[Ginrikuzuma]

my only guess is that maybe area plasma is bugged that might be the problem because in regards to bolters you can alternate between single shot and burst fire to gain stacks (though it does make tracking what my last attack a bit more difficult as i sometimes use the same attack twice in a row. its much easier to prevent this by alternating melee/range as opposed to different attacks on the same weapon

[Harukage]

i am pretty sure you also need to switch your weapon to get stacks. Not just use different types of atacks. I am running an Arch-militant with sniper rifle and shotgun. And it works every time a switch my weapon and shoot.

[Robrecht]

Originally posted by Harukage:

i am pretty sure you also need to switch your weapon to get stacks. Not just use different types of atacks. I am running an Arch-militant with sniper rifle and shotgun. And it works every time a switch my weapon and shoot.

That's possible because both attacks on the Sniper rifle are single target.

By the way, the tooltip for Verstatility itself lists the different attacks that you have to vary between to get stacks of versatility.

[Legion]

SO I am testing more.

Single Bolt> Burst Bolt got stack

Single flamer> area flamer did not get stack.

Single Plasma> Area Plasma Did not get stack

Single Bolt > Area Plasma Got stack >back to Single bolt got another stack. Three total for the combo one from first single bolt then the plasma gave another then back to single bolt.

Single bolt> burst bolt got stack > area flame. did not get stack > single flamer still no stack.

Cycling between Single Bolt and Spray Bolt get the stacks. over and over again as expected.


So it seems like it does not like the "special Weapons"

Going to try and report it as bug I guess. Even if it not a bug it is clearly confusing

[Ovan]

Originally posted by Legionair:

SO I am testing more.

Single Bolt> Burst Bolt got stack

Single flamer> area flamer did not get stack.

Single Plasma> Area Plasma Did not get stack

Single Bolt > Area Plasma Got stack >back to Single bolt got another stack. Three total for the combo one from first single bolt then the plasma gave another then back to single bolt.

Single bolt> burst bolt got stack > area flame. did not get stack > single flamer still no stack.

Cycling between Single Bolt and Spray Bolt get the stacks. over and over again as expected.


So it seems like it does not like the "special Weapons"

Going to try and report it as bug I guess. Even if it not a bug it is clearly confusing

Since it says "single shot and burst" I presume it only work with ballistic weapons (boltgun, autogun, shotgun, sniper).

[PK_Thunder]

It's bugged with some of the energy weapons, although from what I've seen lasguns and pistols still work okay. It also correctly gives stacks for most melee attacks but it hates thunder hammers for some reason.

[PK_Thunder]

Oh I forgot it's also bugged on heavy flamer, absolutely positive of that.

[GBR Warrior]

Originally posted by Legionair:

I need help I have play tested this skill and I and still confused.

Text if that helps
Whenever the Arch-Militant uses an attack that is of a different type from their previous attack, the Arch-Militant gains a stack of versatility. The types of attacks can be single shot, single melee attack, area melee attack, area shot, or burst shot. The Arch-Militant gains +5 WS and BS for every stack of versatility. If the Arch-Militant has 4 or more stacks of versatility, the Arch-Militant deals an additional +(WS bonus / 2) or +(BS bonus / 2) damage, whichever is highest.


So I have my character cycle their weapons and try different combos of attacks Some times I get a stack of versatility and some times I dont. Things like single shot Plasma to Area Plasma Do not build stacks for example. Per the text above that should work.

So I tried Single shot Plasma and Single shot bolter. Still does not work. Is it bugged like this for anyone else

I use a Chainsword and bolt pistol on my Warrior/Arch Militant Kommissar and alternate my attacks between single slash, single shot, area slash or burst fire.

I sometimes swap to my second set (Chainsword and hand flamer) for low armoured targets.

My stacks are adding up and it is working for me. I think it has to be a different attack type entirely, not just the same attack type on a different weapon.

[Warhunter]

Originally posted by Legionair:

SO I am testing more.

Single Bolt> Burst Bolt got stack

Single flamer> area flamer did not get stack.

Single Plasma> Area Plasma Did not get stack

Single Bolt > Area Plasma Got stack >back to Single bolt got another stack. Three total for the combo one from first single bolt then the plasma gave another then back to single bolt.

Single bolt> burst bolt got stack > area flame. did not get stack > single flamer still no stack.

Cycling between Single Bolt and Spray Bolt get the stacks. over and over again as expected.


So it seems like it does not like the "special Weapons"

Going to try and report it as bug I guess. Even if it not a bug it is clearly confusing

it looks like the game considers single flamer/plasma as area attacks
isnt flamer single just a line attack? i dont use it but the attacks i seen on it the 1st attack was just a single line so that makes sense
not sure on plasma as i havent gotten one yet

[Chrome_Viper]

using arch militant on a psyker with a plasma rifle makes things even more confusing lmao

[Sotanaht]

Originally posted by Warhunter:

Originally posted by Legionair:

SO I am testing more.

Single Bolt> Burst Bolt got stack

Single flamer> area flamer did not get stack.

Single Plasma> Area Plasma Did not get stack

Single Bolt > Area Plasma Got stack >back to Single bolt got another stack. Three total for the combo one from first single bolt then the plasma gave another then back to single bolt.

Single bolt> burst bolt got stack > area flame. did not get stack > single flamer still no stack.

Cycling between Single Bolt and Spray Bolt get the stacks. over and over again as expected.


So it seems like it does not like the "special Weapons"

Going to try and report it as bug I guess. Even if it not a bug it is clearly confusing

it looks like the game considers single flamer/plasma as area attacks
isnt flamer single just a line attack? i dont use it but the attacks i seen on it the 1st attack was just a single line so that makes sense
not sure on plasma as i havent gotten one yet

Yeah flamers only have area attacks, so that makes sense. Him calling it "single flamer" brings his testing methodology into question.

Plasma has single and area attacks though. Plasma weapons have 3 options: single shot, overcharge: area (3x3 area damage), and overcharge: extra damage, which I believe is also single-target but does more damage in exchange for both more ammo and AP usage.

[jbs5869]

Originally posted by Legionair:

I need help I have play tested this skill and I and still confused.

Text if that helps
Whenever the Arch-Militant uses an attack that is of a different type from their previous attack, the Arch-Militant gains a stack of versatility. The types of attacks can be single shot, single melee attack, area melee attack, area shot, or burst shot. The Arch-Militant gains +5 WS and BS for every stack of versatility. If the Arch-Militant has 4 or more stacks of versatility, the Arch-Militant deals an additional +(WS bonus / 2) or +(BS bonus / 2) damage, whichever is highest.


So I have my character cycle their weapons and try different combos of attacks Some times I get a stack of versatility and some times I dont. Things like single shot Plasma to Area Plasma Do not build stacks for example. Per the text above that should work.

So I tried Single shot Plasma and Single shot bolter. Still does not work. Is it bugged like this for anyone else

I am not having this bug, I receive stacks properly. BUT the plasma pistol does NOT receive the versatility damage bonus correctly. I havent thoroughly tested, but it only receives half or less than half of the bonus versatility damage it should receive. Additionally, it doesnt receive other damage bonuses, such as from inspiration. Also, FYI, the single-target overcharge on the plasma pistol doesnt do any extra damage. We all know owlcat are hilariously bad at coding, but to ♥♥♥♥ up a single item this badly is incomprehensible.

[Exitarnium]

Originally posted by Legionair:

SO I am testing more.

Single Bolt> Burst Bolt got stack

Single flamer> area flamer did not get stack.

Single Plasma> Area Plasma Did not get stack

Single Bolt > Area Plasma Got stack >back to Single bolt got another stack. Three total for the combo one from first single bolt then the plasma gave another then back to single bolt.

Single bolt> burst bolt got stack > area flame. did not get stack > single flamer still no stack.

Cycling between Single Bolt and Spray Bolt get the stacks. over and over again as expected.


So it seems like it does not like the "special Weapons"

Going to try and report it as bug I guess. Even if it not a bug it is clearly confusing

Can confirm (for myself) that versatility is not counting with heavy flamer. I thought I was being dumb not understanding something with the ability but glad to have found this post to make me feel less dumb dumb when already learning a complicated ruleset<3

[JimmysTheBestCop]

For straight damage I actually think Master Tactician is better and way easier in the vast majority of battles. You get like 40 stacks cause there is never less then 20 enemies.

It is 4% damage for every stack. So most battles you are getting >100% without doing anything. Plus soldier concentrated fire is 120% dmg and rpaid fire is 2x bullets.

I am finding my Arch Militant with a better weapon and basically the same setup doing less damage then Argenta who is the Master Tact. It isnt even close.

Press the advantage upgrade undisputed advantage ignores all cover and dodge.
Inspire and its upgrade gives you +2 dmg for every 10 stacks. Thats per bullet so if you are bursting you are eliminating everyone which gives you momentum which gives you more stacks. And this is 0 AP every turn.

Jae and Argenta both being Master Tacts really gets momentum going. Jae can give Temp HP to 2 characters every turn or buff anothers damage with Inspire.

Argenta just uses Inspire on herself.

Arch Militant it takes way too long to build up stacks. You probably have to be max lvl. Master Tact lvl 16 already does crazy dmg.

Right now I think Arch Militant is the worst class. Not sure why everyone was talking it up so much. Mastter Tact is a straight death dealer.