Ummm... Wow. There's A LOT of reading.

[Silhouette]

Alright, first I'll preface this by saying this game just may not be made for me, but my goodness is there a lot of reading! Does anyone else find it a bit much?

I mean, here's an example of an early character interaction in Baldur's gate 3:
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Lae’zel: Abomination. This is your end.

Narrator: *Your head throbs and your skin tingles. Visions rush past: a dragon’s wing, a silver sword – and a flash for your face see through the strange woman’s eyes.*

Lae’zel: My head. What is this… ngh.
Lae’zel: Tsk’va. You are no thrall – Vlaakith blesses me this day! Together we might survive.

Player Choices:
1. What made you think I’m a thrall?
2. Who are you?
3. We need to figure out where we are.
4. What do you suggest?

Lae’zel: We can do nothing until we escape – that must be our priority.
Lae’zel: First, we exterminate the imps. Then we find the helm and take control of the ship.
Lae’zel: We will address the matter of a cure for this infection when we reach the Material Plane.
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And here's an example of a early character dialog from Rouge Trader:

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Edelthrad: “That is simply irrational, Lady Theodora” says the man dressed in peculiar garb, his voice tight with tension. His face, half of which is covered by synskin, is twisted in a grimace of displeasure and disbelief. “Assimilation into the trade structure would be political and economic suicide, practically an admission of heresy!”

Theodora: The tall, grey-haired woman pins him with her gaze, her cybernetic eye flashing crimson. “Then suggest an alternative that will satisfy me. I have described the situation – no worse than my Seneschal could have done. Make a decision: what will you do with Avion VI, Edelthrad?"

Theodora: “Our second candidate has joined us.” The dry female voice and the powerful feeling of being watched force you to look at Theodora. The Rogue trader is looking straight at you, and her gaze, like herself, is predatory and oppressive. “[Player], approach and give me your answer.”

Theodora: “Consider this hypothetical situation, Aion VI. A new world on the fringes of the Koronus Expanse. High seismic activity, regular magma eruptions, metamorphic rock deposits, prospects for large-scale mining. The world is populated by natives who worship some heretical ‘underworld spirits’ that protect those who offer them sacrafices. Flights of Fancy, you might say. But attempts to install ore extractors have failed for a second time – the mining crews sent to the planet’s surface have failed for a second time – the mining crews sent to the planet’s surface simply vanished overnight. My question to you is.. what whould you do with this poisned treasure?”

Player Choices:
1. [Lore [Xenos]: Succeeded] “Those spirits could well be the natives’ name for a dangerous aliens – I would first verify if that is indeed the case and if the population of Aion VI engages in Xenoworship.”
2.”I am a former Commissar. I would continue sending in more people. One crew after another, until someone succeeded in their service to Humanity and the conquest of Aion VI.”
3. “These reports of spirits certainly sound like evidence of heresy… however, I would put my interest first. No matter what means I would have to use, the riches of Aion VI would be mine.
4. Avion VI must be purged. For the good of the Imperium. I would exterminate the heretical beliefs and otherworldly beings and rule the native apostates.”
5. “I do not know?”

Theodora: Theodora arches an eyebrow. Reasonable and prudent. However, chasing after ethereal creatures may prove a rather long and fruitless endeavour.”

Edelthrad: Edelthrad scoffs. “Apart from xenos, an untrodden planet might be teeming with myriad horrors that are far more dangerous and difficult to eradicate. I suspect that you, [Player], are simply unaware of their existence.”

Player Choices:
1. “I gave a straight answer to a simple question. Which, as I understand, was still more than you could do, Edelthrad.”
2. “We are both servants of the God-Emperor and Lady Theodora. Does it become anyone of our status to engade in petty fueds?
3. I find your tone most disagreeable, Edelthrad. You should watch the manner in which you address me, or else you shall live to regret the consequences.
4. “Shut your mouth, Edelthrad, before I decide to shut it.

Edelthrad: The color drains from Edelthrad’s face, which distorts his features further. “Insolent, ignorant upstart! How dare you-“

Theodora: “Edelthrad.” Theodora’s tone renders him slient. “I believe I gave you an assignment on this ship. Explain to me, then, why my Senior Congregator is still dawdling about the officers’ deck instead of proceeding to the middle decks to commence the inspection of the compartments in his purview?”[/b]Edelthrad:[/b] “I beg your forgiveness, Lady Theodora. Your presence has such a profound effect on me that I well forgot the time.” Edelthrad bows ceremoniously and takes his leave without sparing you another look.

AND IT KEEPS GOING!!!
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Edit:
Woot! I got my first clown! lol I was wondering when I'd get one of those. XD

Please know that I'm not trying to disparage anyone who enjoys seeing this much text, I just personally found it to be an awful lot. :)

[CHAIN BREAKER]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Originally posted by CHAIN BREAKER:

Yeah, no.

In BG3 you feel more difference between classes.
In Owlcat's game's, it's a few grand choices, a few major class archetypes, and everything else is "i want a fork or a spork".

And if everyone who plays mage chooses the fireball, it's not because of the video, it's because fireball is best compared to everything else.

Come on, you can't be serious.

Owlcat Pathfinders are legit some of the most diverse build CRPG, ever.

It's diverse, but it doesn't feel much different in 1/3 of it's classes.
WotR is a good example of this.
I wouldn't mind if they would cut all subclasses and just leave core one's and mythic paths.

[CHAIN BREAKER]

Originally posted by Desolane:

To anyone who said that "BG3 will bring new people into the CRPG hobby!", just check out this thread and enjoy having these people around now.

"Oh no, my privilege club is ruined by peasants!"

[Aria Athena]

Originally posted by CHAIN BREAKER:

Originally posted by Desolane:

To anyone who said that "BG3 will bring new people into the CRPG hobby!", just check out this thread and enjoy having these people around now.

"Oh no, my privilege club is ruined by peasants!"

That is actually a legitimate complaint, no one wants peasants in their privilege club.

[Nightmarian]

Originally posted by Aria Athena:

Originally posted by CHAIN BREAKER:

"Oh no, my privilege club is ruined by peasants!"

That is actually a legitimate complaint, no one wants peasants in their privilege club.

Yeah, it's the gatekeepers who are by far the more obnoxious people on top of thinking they're special and thus deserve special treatment because they like 'cultured' things that they only believe is good because no one else likes it as much.

Because, obviously, only refined super sayian senses can pick out the true GOTY and everyone else just doesn't get it.

[Tenjen]

people keep bringing up budget and "other CRPGs are like this" but this has nothing to do with "budget" and there are other CRPG's which have writing that avoids turning exchanges into word salads as a standard rather than an exception. learning how to condense things, avoid info or expositions dumps by spreading it over time (and other methods) or just trusting the reader by using key words in a condensed sentence to convey a great deal.

As an apt comparison, FF14 in ARR had... multiple rolling paragraphs in dialogue for almost everything. It made sense for two know-it-all characters but not anyone else in any other situation. But in later expansions the writing is far more condensed and conveys the meaning precisely and quickly, Except the two know-it-alls who still have a habit of flowery speech or unnecessary explanations but even then they convey that trait without 10 back to back paragraphs of dialogue.

Even just changing how to present and flow the text, dialogue and emotes can improve the experience for the player.

[RobOda]

Originally posted by Desolane:

To anyone who said that "BG3 will bring new people into the CRPG hobby!", just check out this thread and enjoy having these people around now.

BG3 is casual-fire tho, appealing with horny characters, simple dialogue and generic builds.

I'm sorry, I can't take any Larian fanboy seriously tbh.

Anyway, it is sad that there's a lot of people who struggle with reading more than a paragraph before they have to switch off and murder-hobo something with their sex drives.

[Nightmarian]

Originally posted by Tenjen:

people keep bringing up budget and "other CRPGs are like this" but this has nothing to do with "budget" and there are other CRPG's which have writing that avoids turning exchanges into word salads as a standard rather than an exception. learning how to condense things, avoid info or expositions dumps by spreading it over time (and other methods) or just trusting the reader by using key words in a condensed sentence to convey a great deal.

As an apt comparison, FF14 in ARR had... multiple rolling paragraphs in dialogue for almost everything. It made sense for two know-it-all characters but not anyone else in any other situation. But in later expansions the writing is far more condensed and conveys the meaning precisely and quickly, Except the two know-it-alls who still have a habit of flowery speech or unnecessary explanations but even then they convey that trait without 10 back to back paragraphs of dialogue.

Even just changing how to present and flow the text, dialogue and emotes can improve the experience for the player.

I agree and get what you're saying, but if this is your argument you must be utterly new to 40k and likely have never read a novel, short story, or lore tidbit from the setting.

[jonoliveira12]

Everty CRPG that is not Bear Gayte 3 has a lot of reading. The whole genre is for people who are into reading books.
BG3 is just very streamlined, for a general audience, and comes accross as dumbed down for it.

It is the difference between mass appeal and genre defining kino. Mass appeal gives you the MCU, RoP and the Star Wars sequels. GD kino gives you the foundational works and established clientele, that devs later betray for mass appeal.

[Shodingus]

Originally posted by Beezus Hrist:

Originally posted by Tripfriend:

Welcome to finding out BG3 has subpar writing.

Having MORE of something doesn't make that thing subpar, in fact, having too much of a thing often dilutes it... like the quality of the writing in this video game. No one wants to read a novel while playing a video game, and Owlcat needs to stop writing these games as if they are novels. They are video games, first and foremost and should be written as such. BG3 shows an example of writing for an interactive medium, while rogue trader shows writing intended for a BOOK.

The writing is too descriptive, and if they simply voiced acted it, I think we could easily understand and SEE the tone being presented. Also, the narrator should at least be voiced like Divinity Original Sins 2 or BG3.

This guy's saying War and Peace is ♥♥♥♥ cause it has a lot of writing lmao. CRPGs are known for having a lot of text.
>muh voiced narrator!!!
Wow you 'people' are pathetic

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

Originally posted by Shodingus:

Originally posted by Beezus Hrist:

Having MORE of something doesn't make that thing subpar, in fact, having too much of a thing often dilutes it... like the quality of the writing in this video game. No one wants to read a novel while playing a video game, and Owlcat needs to stop writing these games as if they are novels. They are video games, first and foremost and should be written as such. BG3 shows an example of writing for an interactive medium, while rogue trader shows writing intended for a BOOK.

The writing is too descriptive, and if they simply voiced acted it, I think we could easily understand and SEE the tone being presented. Also, the narrator should at least be voiced like Divinity Original Sins 2 or BG3.

This guy's saying War and Peace is ♥♥♥♥ cause it has a lot of writing lmao. CRPGs are known for having a lot of text.
>muh voiced narrator!!!
Wow you 'people' are pathetic

Yeah I hated that narrator. I didn't need some omnipresent character following me around describing everything I see.

[Nifty]

Originally posted by Desolane:

To anyone who said that "BG3 will bring new people into the CRPG hobby!", just check out this thread and enjoy having these people around now.

I wonder how the devs feel working with half the team size of Larian and a fraction of the budget checking out the forums for feedback and people going on all the time about BG3 this, or BG3 that. A lot of the new people need to just play the game, if you don't like reading then don't read and don't play the game. When you go more into the 'indie' and crpg genres you're going to find these niche games because that is what the genre is, they are not designed for mass appeal like BG3 is.

[Wyrtt]

Originally posted by Silhouette:

Baulder's Gate is also considered a CRPG. @_@

lol, maybe I'm just not this game's intended audience. I feel like I should be reading a novel.

I appreciate the reply! :)

BG3 is a mainstream fast food. Ofc it has shorter dialogues. Its barely one ste above sarcasm wheel from fallout 4

[REhorror]

Originally posted by YaBoiDRAX:

Originally posted by REhorror:

Come on, you can't be serious.

Owlcat Pathfinders are legit some of the most diverse build CRPG, ever.

no because all comes down to numbers,

WOW look at all these magic buffs *plays same casting sound effect and same casting animation as every other spell* +3 to damage WOW AMAZING

you, melee, cast offensive/defensive spells, you shoot bows.

most of the feats just increase numbers, pathfinder has a extreme amount of bloat, they need to remove the fat and have actual meaningful choices

Build is literally about number, yes.

I am not sure you understand it. RPG is basically a maths game.

[REhorror]

I told people that BG3fans will not stick with CRPG.

I was right after all.

[Viper]

Enjoying it a lot.It is like reading a book however. Most of that reading involves decisions though. SO its not a graphic novel. And it has a lot more than the reading to it.