System requirements

[Vielo]

Hello everyone,

What's the deal with the system requirements in this game? They mention "NVIDIA GeForce 1050 Ti" as "recommended" (a low tier 2016 GPU), but on my 6600 XT and Ryzen 5600 I barely get 50 FPS on 1400p ultra (FSR on) and my GPU is getting VERY hot and loud.

Switching to high settings increases the FPS to 70-80, but this is still a joke. I'm only 30 minutes in, so I haven't even encountered the late stage fights that according to the reviews can involve dozens of characters at a time. I expect the performance will drop even worse when I get there.

The game basically looks slightly better than Torchlight 2, which I am pretty sure could be run on some high end fridges and toasters nowadays. Some of the higher end mobile games look better and they can be run on freaking smartphones. I wouldn't call it ugly or anything, but it is certainly nothing to write home about. Average.

So why does this game tax hardware so much? My specs aren't exactly that great, but still exceed the recommended ones 4-5 fold, yet I can just barely play on 1440p ultra with FSR on. It's far from unplayable of course, but I just don't understand it.

[Dragaan]

No responses yet. This is uncanny, dude..... I've been saying this EXACT stuff to myself since I first tried playing this game right after release. When this game came out I noticed the VERY low requirements, then noticed MANY posts from people glorifying how "well-optimized" this game is. I swear, these reviewers MUST be going off of the recommended specs and not the performance they actually got after playing the game.

I don't have the game on steam, I played the DRM free version (GOG - should run better if anything). My PC is a 6700-K build: i7-6700K (OC@ 4.7ghz), 16GB RAM @3200 CL16, 950 PRO NVME SSD. When I first played the game, I was using my 1080 TI Amp Extreme that I've been using to play just about ALL of my games in 4k/60/vsync for the last 5-6 years (I don't play many AAA games - mainly A/AA indies but a few bigger ones like Witcher3/RDR2/GoW). After seeing the "Recommended" specs of an i5-6400 (non-K) @2.7ghz + a freakin' 1050 ti, I was like, "hell yea! For SURE I'll be able to play this one at 4k as well!" "(If I can play witcher3 next-gen edition at 4k/High @60fps+Vsync w/ Quality FSR, as well as Pathfinder1 at 4k/60/ultra and pathfinder2 at 1440/60/ultra then surely I can play THIS at 4k!......right?").

I set the game to 4k/high (minus reflections) and quality FSR - looked great for a few moments, until the camera panned down to the huge room, then dropped briefly to 40ish. Up on the first platform I was getting 60fps and it looked fantastic walking around. Then, boom, as soon as we get to a "cut-scene" (basically brief auto camera movement minus HUD) it drops to 30. Once combat starts, constant drops to 45/30/50. Each turn swap and each action taken. Turned settings down incrementally, until I was at 1440 medium with FSR. No dice. 30-50fps when there's any action whatsoever or combat starts. I stop playing, as I'm getting a new card soon.

Fast forward to last night. I installed my 7800 XT in the same system (replacing the 1080 Ti). Oh, boy. Doubled my FPS (almost literally) in every game I tried so far - TW:WH2, W3 next-gen, 3DMark TimeSpyExtreme, RDR2, etc. There were some games I was SURE I was probably going to hit a CPU issue in, but nope, even with vsync off and at 4k my fps was going into the 100-180 range in stuff like W3 nge. I was SURE I was gpu capped in Rogue Trader, as it was HAMMERING my 1080 ti while cpu was just getting hit avg, like in most games I play. NOPE -> Same exact issue as OP. SAME. EXACT. Result/reaction.

What is going on? I am anal about keeping my system squeaky clean and lean. All updates are done. Drivers, etc. All good. What is it about this game, and WHY on earth are the requirements so LUDICROUSLY low in comparison to most other modern games of the same type? BG3 recommends an 8700K + 5700XT/2060Super and my 1080Ti+6700K was playing, with FSR, at 4k/60/high (minus a few tweaks like reflections).

This is a crazy long post, and I apologize for writing a dissertation on the subject, but I'm still new to WH and especially WH40K and I really really wanted to play THIS game to introduce me to the world. At this point I'm convinced there must be some 3rd party tool or obscure (seemingly-innocuous) setting that's interfering and I cannot figure it out. It MUST be....right? Both OP and my own systems TROUNCE the recommended settings, yet we can't play at 1440p/high with UPSCALING and expect a solid 60 in a game that (as both OP and myself describe to others) as similar-looking to Torchlight2 in many ways? (literally, I said this to my brother weeks ago when I first played it and had these issues). I don't have these issues with either of their Pathfinder games, even at much higher settings - and at least the 2nd one is better-looking.

EDIT: I'll quickly explain my reasons for not going to 1080p. First off, I use a 55" (4k) Television as my display.1080 does not look right in 99% of games in which I've tried it. Secondly, I have a freakin' 7800 XT and a CPU well above recommended power. ;)

[Dragaan]

OP -> if you figure(d) this out, please DM me or reply here. Would be GREATLY appreciated. And if you notice ANY type of official response in regard to these problems, either on a discord or reddit or whatever, I'd love to see it as well. I'm just baffled that no one else has responded here until I just did.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by Vielo:

What's the deal with the system requirements in this game? They mention "NVIDIA GeForce 1050 Ti" as "recommended" (a low tier 2016 GPU), but on my 6600 XT and Ryzen 5600 I barely get 50 FPS on 1400p ultra (FSR on) and my GPU is getting VERY hot and loud.

The minimum and recommended requirements don't offer any guarantee of a certain framerate at a certain screen resolution, and they don't tell you anything about how loud or hot you can expect your GPU to run.

They are just there to help people considering a game purchase to rule out any game that will perform badly on their computer - and when I say "badly" I don't mean lower fps than desired or hot temperatures, I mean unable to display the game or GPU crashes.

If your CPU is better than the recommended GPU then you should have a better-than-average experience with the game, but if the game is just not running well on any GPU then you might still have an experienced that you do not find satisfactory.

Originally posted by Dragaan:

When this game came out I noticed the VERY low requirements, then noticed MANY posts from people glorifying how "well-optimized" this game is. I swear, these reviewers MUST be going off of the recommended specs and not the performance they actually got after playing the game.

I didn't notice any posts lauding the optimization of this game... but then I don't read reviews, so maybe that's why.

If I had read them, I would have responded to laugh, because no, this game is not well optimized.

That said, I'm playing and enjoying it just fine on an 11-year-old computer with a 4-year-old GPU. I don't have the graphics settings maxed, and I'm not trying to play in 4K, because I know my system can't handle those settings. People with newer computers and newer GPUs will probably be able to handle higher settings and resolutions than I can, but there's going to be a limit no matter what hardware you've got.

The key is to dial in on that limit and play under it. Trying to play above what your system can handle is futile.

It is fair to give Owlcat feedback on the performance of their game, but I wouldn't hold your breath for performance optimizations in the short-term. They are still trying to fix game-breaking bugs and broken quests.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by Dragaan:

I'm just baffled that no one else has responded here until I just did.

There's not much other players can say about the problem; we certainly can't fix it. There's not much the developers could say except "we will get to improving performance eventually".

[Dragaan]

There were plenty of reviews and comments I've seen that mention the "great optimization" of this game. IMO, Ibelieve most of these folks are just saying this in response to the recommended settings listed (I've seen someone who obviously had not played yet say something along the lines of, "Can't wait to get this one! Even my potato PC can play it!!"). But, yes, they are there and most of them I noticed on day1, right after release.

Also, both I and PROBABLY the OP are well-aware of what "recommended" means (or can mean)... but I have been playing games for quite a while and I have HUNDREDS of games on steam and many, MANY more off of steam. I have a really good idea of how a game "should" play on my system based on both recommended specs, reviews, footage, and other things (engine used, developer, etc.). There is something wrong here.

[Dragaan]

Originally posted by tempest.of.emptiness:

Originally posted by Dragaan:

I'm just baffled that no one else has responded here until I just did.

There's not much other players can say about the problem; we certainly can't fix it. There's not much the developers could say except "we will get to improving performance eventually".

You mentioned not noticing the plethora of comments about great optimization. That is the main reason I am even posting this. That, and, again, the recommended hardware the devs mentioned. This isn't a case of being borderline. These specs are WAY below what we're using.

And players certainly CAN do something. If it IS some 3rd party tool or obscure setting that happens to be causing this (very rare) type of issue, then anyone can provide a "fix". I'm not saying that's what's going on here, but I do at least somewhat suspect it. You never know, and it can't hurt to ask. Maybe there IS a "fix" and we/I just haven't seen it yet...

[Zhein]

You should see the fight with the cauldron. got as much as one frame per minute in this fight.

[Dragaan]

Originally posted by Zhein:

You should see the fight with the cauldron. got as much as one frame per minute in this fight.

Amazing. Specs?

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by Dragaan:

I have a really good idea of how a game "should" play on my system based on both recommended specs, reviews, footage, and other things (engine used, developer, etc.). There is something wrong here.

If someone tries to judge how a game will perform on their hardware, based on what the recommended hardware is, that's not work out for them reliably. Recommended specs of other games don't form a pattern that can tell you how a game will perform based on its recommended specs. Each developer can make whatever recommendation they want for their game, and they aren't consulting each other to make sure that all recommendations are equally good.

As I said, the most recommendations can tell you is that the game won't run, or will run badly. They can't tell you that the game will run well, nor can they tell you how well it will run.

[Zhein]

Originally posted by Dragaan:

Originally posted by Zhein:

You should see the fight with the cauldron. got as much as one frame per minute in this fight.

Amazing. Specs?

16gb ram, Nvidia 1080 6gb

I can run titanfall 2 but 20 exploding nurgle cultists and the game is running like a potatoe.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by Dragaan:

And players certainly CAN do something. If it IS some 3rd party tool or obscure setting that happens to be causing this (very rare) type of issue, then anyone can provide a "fix". I'm not saying that's what's going on here, but I do at least somewhat suspect it. You never know, and it can't hurt to ask. Maybe there IS a "fix" and we/I just haven't seen it yet...

You've got me there. That's a very good point. We can't fix Rogue Trader but we might be able to identify something else that is affecting performance.

If it helps, I don't use GeForce Experience, just the drivers. I have a sense that it causes more problems than it fixes, but ymmv. I stopped using it very soon after they first introduced it, because it was causing some complication for me (though I don't recall what, because it has been many years).

[Dragaan]

GeForce Experience? Oh, lord no. When I used Nvidia I used NVCleanstall for driver (re)installations, with telemetry turned off, no GFE, message service interrupts enabled. Only other software I ever ran (a few times...) w/ nvidia was the inspector app.

I'm now on the 7800XT, though, and I AM using their FULL driver software package (in all of its ~2.5GB glory - that's in active memory). I'm in a little bind, as in no way shape or form do I want to continue to use this into the future, but without installing the FULL suite it looks like there is no way to get many of the ACTUALLY useful options that program includes. I'll just have to find alternatives, or use the driver slimmer and continue with Afterburner.