Unsanctioned Psyker

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

While I am heavily skeptical of the game do to its recent PR blunder trying to incorporate spyware into its older games and its politically motivated design choices. I am still curious about certain aspects of the game, and was curious if the game is going to allow for the player or a mercenary to become an unsanctioned psyker?

At the moment it seems like the sanctioned psyker is set up to appear as a origin, which does make sense given the TTRPG rule set. Though at the same time unsanctioned psykers in the setting exist as those who are either dabbling in the arts of sorcery, chaos, or the renegade path that tend to have access to unique psykic abilities at the cost of needing to master the warp in a way sanctioned psykers are shielded from. At least to a greater degree that comes at the price of limiting how deep they can delve into the warp for power.

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

Also am I the only one that looks at screenshot 1 and feels like those "tech-adepts" are severely lacking in cybernetics. No mechanical arms or legs? They might as well be basic humans with how little visible augmentations they have, and self respecting tech-priest wouldn't allow such unoptimized servants to work with or around him on his projects.

[Deskath]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Tech-Priest:

Also am I the only one that looks at screenshot 1 and feels like those "tech-adepts" are severely lacking in cybernetics. No mechanical arms or legs? They might as well be basic humans with how little visible augmentations they have, and self respecting tech-priest wouldn't allow such unoptimized servants to work with or around him on his projects.

Now now my dear Toaster lover, the good ♥♥♥♥ -mechanical legs and whatnot- are for the reputable guys. The higher the status the greater percent of flesh is replaced...

So id take a guess that those Techadepts are... new. Inexperienced and hence expendable..

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Deskath... I am Alpharius:

Now now my dear Toaster lover, the good ♥♥♥♥ -mechanical legs and whatnot- are for the reputable guys. The higher the status the greater percent of flesh is replaced...

So id take a guess that those Techadepts are... new. Inexperienced and hence expendable..

You make it sound like mechanical legs are the only option. We have tank treads, spider legs, spare strider parts, and we can even tear off the spare metal from a busted imperial guard APC, or slap some wheels onto a human. Progress can take many forms.

The flesh is better suited as replacement parts for servitors. I'm talking about Improvements, the purity of the machine. https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/20-12-40k-RoomMates1-fb.jpg

[Deskath]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Tech-Priest:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Deskath... I am Alpharius:

Now now my dear Toaster lover, the good ♥♥♥♥ -mechanical legs and whatnot- are for the reputable guys. The higher the status the greater percent of flesh is replaced...

So id take a guess that those Techadepts are... new. Inexperienced and hence expendable..

You make it sound like mechanical legs are the only option. We have tank treads, spider legs, spare strider parts, and we can even tear off the spare metal from a busted imperial guard APC, or slap some wheels onto a human. Progress can take many forms.

The flesh is better suited as replacement parts for servitors. I'm talking about Improvements, the purity of the machine. https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/20-12-40k-RoomMates1-fb.jpg

Well yes, but still you need to be someone to be allowed that :D

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Deskath... I am Alpharius:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Tech-Priest:

You make it sound like mechanical legs are the only option. We have tank treads, spider legs, spare strider parts, and we can even tear off the spare metal from a busted imperial guard APC, or slap some wheels onto a human. Progress can take many forms.

The flesh is better suited as replacement parts for servitors. I'm talking about Improvements, the purity of the machine. https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/20-12-40k-RoomMates1-fb.jpg

Well yes, but still you need to be someone to be allowed that :D

The last guy who said that got strapped to a penitent engine and given to the sisters of battle.

[Markus]

They confirmed that you can become unsanctioned psyker recently.

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Markus:

They confirmed that you can become unsanctioned psyker recently.

Can you cite / link the post so I can find it?

[Ammo Donkey]

Players can only ever be sanctioned psykers. But there is an unsanctioned psyker companion. She's about as broken (in the good way) as unsanctioneds are in the RPG.

[Balekai]

Yeah the only way I could see a playable Unsanctioned MC is later on due to Hereticus actions/playthrough. Like a Fallen Paladin mechanic but more due to a story decision (break the bond with the Emperor?). But I haven't seen this info myself that we can play one as an MC. Maybe in a discord or one of the answers in a stream?

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Balekai:

Yeah the only way I could see a playable Unsanctioned MC is later on due to Hereticus actions/playthrough. Like a Fallen Paladin mechanic but more due to a story decision (break the bond with the Emperor?). But I haven't seen this info myself that we can play one as an MC. Maybe in a discord or one of the answers in a stream?

Most of the Psyker origin can be summed up as a unique talent tree, so there isn't much of a lore reason why the player via a choice in the game couldn't unlock unsanctioned psyker or sorcerer talents if he or she is not a sanctioned psyker at the start like in the TTRPG.

If I am not mistaken, in the TTRPG anyone can become a sorcerer if they discover how. While nascent psykers (the alternative class rank) can discover their abilities later on as long as the character is not a blank. Then there is also the ability to gain renegade / unsanctioned psyker powers through Yu'vath artifacts (Xeno's Implants) in the same book.

[Balekai]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Tech-Priest:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Balekai:

Yeah the only way I could see a playable Unsanctioned MC is later on due to Hereticus actions/playthrough. Like a Fallen Paladin mechanic but more due to a story decision (break the bond with the Emperor?). But I haven't seen this info myself that we can play one as an MC. Maybe in a discord or one of the answers in a stream?

Most of the Psyker origin can be summed up as a unique talent tree, so there isn't much of a lore reason why the player via a choice in the game couldn't unlock unsanctioned psyker or sorcerer talents if he or she is not a sanctioned psyker at the start like in the TTRPG.

If I am not mistaken, in the TTRPG anyone can become a sorcerer if they discover how. While nascent psykers (the alternative class rank) can discover their abilities later on as long as the character is not a blank. Then there is also the ability to gain renegade / unsanctioned psyker powers through Yu'vath artifacts (Xeno's Implants) in the same book.

Thanks for the info and yeah that makes sense. Like some no nothing heretical IGs here and there becoming Psyker-like (well psykers :p ) that were not actually Psykers before their corruption. It happens a lot but I never thought of it really that way until you mentioned it. Or with the latest edition (likely after all the events in-game) when Cadia falls and the massive Warp Storms start. I believe a whole bunch of Humans/others around the Galaxy started to show psyker ability that didn't have it before. An event that scared the Tau into basically starting a Genocide vs. their Human populations that were increasingly having blue flames coming out of their eyes (and able to fight back).

Anyways, It would be neat as part of a Hereticus story arc that you could access unsanctioned psyker power as any archetype/origin. i'm pretty sure that would force me into doing a Hereticus run. :p

Maybe all the "Soul Mark" trees (Imperialis, Benevolentia and Hereticus) have something to do with developing such powers one way or another? Dunno. One could argue some of their unlocked passive bonuses in the Beta seem "Warpish" and may even be related to your encounter with the Warp entity that "curses/blesses" you during the tutorial. (Again the Etude conditions for alignment trees are named "Soul Marks."

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Balekai:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Tech-Priest:

Most of the Psyker origin can be summed up as a unique talent tree, so there isn't much of a lore reason why the player via a choice in the game couldn't unlock unsanctioned psyker or sorcerer talents if he or she is not a sanctioned psyker at the start like in the TTRPG.

If I am not mistaken, in the TTRPG anyone can become a sorcerer if they discover how. While nascent psykers (the alternative class rank) can discover their abilities later on as long as the character is not a blank. Then there is also the ability to gain renegade / unsanctioned psyker powers through Yu'vath artifacts (Xeno's Implants) in the same book.

Thanks for the info and yeah that makes sense. Like some no nothing heretical IGs here and there becoming Psyker-like (well psykers :p ) that were not actually Psykers before their corruption. It happens a lot but I never thought of it really that way until you mentioned it. Or with the latest edition (likely after all the events in-game) when Cadia falls and the massive Warp Storms start. I believe a whole bunch of Humans/others around the Galaxy started to show psyker ability that didn't have it before. An event that scared the Tau into basically starting a Genocide vs. their Human populations that were increasingly having blue flames coming out of their eyes (and able to fight back).

Anyways, It would be neat as part of a Hereticus story arc that you could access unsanctioned psyker power as any archetype/origin. i'm pretty sure that would force me into doing a Hereticus run. :p

Maybe all the "Soul Mark" trees (Imperialis, Benevolentia and Hereticus) have something to do with developing such powers one way or another? Dunno. One could argue some of their unlocked passive bonuses in the Beta seem "Warpish" and may even be related to your encounter with the Warp entity that "curses/blesses" you during the tutorial. (Again the Etude conditions for alignment trees are named "Soul Marks."

In the "Black Crusade" TTRPG that came out after Only War and Rogue Trader, you could also gain Psyker levels which allows you to buy psyker talents by making a pact with a warp entity / demon. So it would be entirely possible from a lore standpoint to become a psyker when you originally were not a psyker or even a nascent psyker.

It's one of those things where psyker's are very rare, but their abilities are not actually unique. The only people in 40k that can never become a psyker are the nulls and blanks, as even Tech-Priests and Hereteks who are 90% metal are known for developing psykic powers.

[Ammo Donkey]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Tech-Priest:

In the "Black Crusade" TTRPG that came out after Only War and Rogue Trader[...]

BC was before OW. Just setting that straight. Also, BC was explicitly about playing Traitors who wanted to start a Black Crusade AGAINST the Imperium, so most of the stuff in there doesn't really apply to Rogue Traders who haven't fully embraced the Dark Gods. BC is very clear about the fact that there are exactly two ways your character in that system is going to end up: Damnation or Ascension. And Ascension is the extremely unlikely.

[Starrok]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Markus:

They confirmed that you can become unsanctioned psyker recently.

That is incorrect, you can't. But you can have an unsanctioned psyker in your retinue - Idira Tlass.

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

Oprindeligt skrevet af 40% Unga:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Tech-Priest:

In the "Black Crusade" TTRPG that came out after Only War and Rogue Trader[...]

BC was before OW. Just setting that straight. Also, BC was explicitly about playing Traitors who wanted to start a Black Crusade AGAINST the Imperium, so most of the stuff in there doesn't really apply to Rogue Traders who haven't fully embraced the Dark Gods. BC is very clear about the fact that there are exactly two ways your character in that system is going to end up: Damnation or Ascension. And Ascension is the extremely unlikely.

The stuff I mentioned about gaining psker levels was also possible through dark pacts in DH2e for any acolyte, so there is no reason a Rogue Trader could not do so if the rogue trader got the attention of a daemon willing to form a pact or bound one through ritual.