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Gnoll Sep 18, 2019 @ 2:54am
Restoration Mod: Payday 2, but not trash.
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/restorationmod

This "Restoration" mod fixes just about everything that makes this game trash.

Now the weapons are balanced and the skills and perk decks are all equally viable.

The best part is that Death Sentence is now a fun difficulty with huge enemy variety, and viable build variety. Yes, DS is still very difficult, but now it is not just Hacker deck spam with DB Saiga ftw... You can actually play things, like... other decks... which is interesting...



Basically making this post so that more people will download and play with the mod enabled, which would mean I'd have more heisters to play with on this wonderful mod. :P

DS with a 4 man crew is actually fun and synergistic now, instead of being a build-copying ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
Originally posted by Reno:
hey dev here never thought i'd see someone make a thread for us heres our guide if you want to read up on what the mod does in detail https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1366254667
some stuff in here is outdated a bit (enemy health and some perk decks) but we're working on getting it all up to date
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marijn211 Sep 18, 2019 @ 3:53am 
Or just git gud
[ACPL] Jon Sep 18, 2019 @ 4:23am 
Originally posted by marijn211:
Or just git gud
Being slave to meta, non-existing, awful "balance" and everything that stripped this game out of what many called fun, then sure, a lot of people need to "git gud".
Last edited by [ACPL] Jon; Sep 18, 2019 @ 4:23am
painainus Sep 18, 2019 @ 7:02am 
I think I should really try out Restoration mod sometime.
Blueface Sep 18, 2019 @ 9:45am 
I never understood why ppl like meta

You can barely kill dozer and Sniper with izhma/judge and to kill a normal cop you need 4 shots
TheUnchosen Sep 18, 2019 @ 11:06am 
Originally posted by afr1kaN:
I never understood why ppl like meta

You can barely kill dozer and Sniper with izhma/judge and to kill a normal cop you need 4 shots
Perhaps you're just using the weapons wrong? I got through One Down Firestarter pretty fine with the Izhma/Judge and bots.
TrickTrigger Sep 18, 2019 @ 1:51pm 
Hyper Heisting is also pretty cool for not having the Meta be so mandatory. But yeah, ResMod is really good.
Gnoll Sep 18, 2019 @ 4:38pm 
Originally posted by marijn211:
Or just git gud
LMAO this is the funniest thing I've ever heard regarding vanilla DS.

Vanilly DS is EASY AS HELL IF YOU HAVE 4 HACKERS ALL USING DB SAIGA AND DUAL JUDGES, WHOOP DE ♥♥♥♥♥♥' DO.

And that is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ boring. Why should I have to be a slave to the worlds most restrictive and boring meta?

Restoration DS is just as hard, but in a different and interesting way.
Last edited by Gnoll; Sep 18, 2019 @ 4:39pm
Gnoll Sep 18, 2019 @ 4:40pm 
Originally posted by Lightendash:
I think I should really try out Restoration mod sometime.
My god, yes you should. Add me and message when you want to play.
Gnoll Sep 18, 2019 @ 4:56pm 
Originally posted by afr1kaN:
I never understood why ppl like meta

You can barely kill dozer and Sniper with izhma/judge and to kill a normal cop you need 4 shots
Izhma (or DB Saiga) + Judge (or dual judge) and Hacker deck is the only build that trivializes vanilla one-down DS.

Everything else is varying levels of trash.

Install restoration mod if you want the same level of difficulty due to extreme enemy variety and improved AI. No longer can you cheese OD-DS by rushing objectives with a dodge/kingpin build. Instead, you must change your tactics on the fly and create complicated build synergies with your teammates in order to survive.

3 new "captains" and dozens of new special enemies will keep you on your feet, as will the new level of terrifying AI intelligence.

Enemies will now use advanced tactics like formations and responding to player sound (i.e. enemies will wait to rush in phalanx formation until they hear you reload). Shield enemies will now strategically block routes that the player could have used to "rush" (and there is a new shield enemy that cannot be penetrated).

Ultra-rare enemy spawns will ensure that every round feels different and tense. For instance, I dread the day that I meet the TC-13, which few have ever seen... https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1853648171
Last edited by Gnoll; Sep 18, 2019 @ 4:58pm
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Reno Sep 19, 2019 @ 8:46am 
hey dev here never thought i'd see someone make a thread for us heres our guide if you want to read up on what the mod does in detail https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1366254667
some stuff in here is outdated a bit (enemy health and some perk decks) but we're working on getting it all up to date
Teacyn Sep 19, 2019 @ 10:03am 
Thanks for the kind words! I'm the one in charge of the guide, and I just wanted to give a shout out to our discord. Feel free to join and ask questions, complain about our balance decisions, or just hang out!

https://discord.gg/YmQkDyY
marijn211 Sep 21, 2019 @ 6:10am 
Originally posted by ACPL Jon:
Originally posted by marijn211:
Or just git gud
Being slave to meta, non-existing, awful "balance" and everything that stripped this game out of what many called fun, then sure, a lot of people need to "git gud".
there is no such thing, if you are decently skilled you can really just play anything on DS
not to say the mod isn't good, but it's stupid to act like the game's balance is that meta-dependent
Last edited by marijn211; Sep 21, 2019 @ 6:14am
[ACPL] Jon Sep 21, 2019 @ 6:21am 
Originally posted by marijn211:
Originally posted by ACPL Jon:
Being slave to meta, non-existing, awful "balance" and everything that stripped this game out of what many called fun, then sure, a lot of people need to "git gud".
there is no such thing, if you are decently skilled you can really just play anything on DS
not to say the mod isn't good, but it's stupid to act like the game's balance is that meta-dependent
It is and it's a fact recognized by many.

That's why 98-99 % of ppl builds I've seen in DS, or DS players joining DW \ MH games were the same. Max out gun damage (Izhma \ M308), max out crits, max out swag song. Cheap a$$ stuff.

Y'know, PD2 was once a heisting game, with special weapons being, like the name says - special. Right now it's reskinned Quake, with more than half of the people using grenade \ rocket launchers and miniguns. Show me a dude running on DW, let alone DS, with an assault rifle.

The balance is trash since 2015 and trash balances creates meta, thank you very much.
Last edited by [ACPL] Jon; Sep 21, 2019 @ 6:24am
Teacyn Sep 21, 2019 @ 7:10am 
Originally posted by marijn211:
Originally posted by ACPL Jon:
Being slave to meta, non-existing, awful "balance" and everything that stripped this game out of what many called fun, then sure, a lot of people need to "git gud".
there is no such thing, if you are decently skilled you can really just play anything on DS
not to say the mod isn't good, but it's stupid to act like the game's balance is that meta-dependent

While it is possible to run almost anything on DS if you hate yourself enough, it's disingenuous at best to say that the game isn't extremely heavily meta based.

DW is pretty miserable already if you aren't running some absurd 2 million DPS meta build with insane armor gating, but DS is amplified to such an extreme degree that using basically anything outside of the very well defined meta of borderline exploitative and game-breaking skills and weapon combos that let you kill minigun dozers in less than a second and have an armor gate ready every half a second if not more is torture.

I can beat DS with an AR armor build. I'd imagine most people still playing this game can unless they're super casual. This doesn't mean it's fun. It's absolutely abhorrently miserable. You're never *forced* to adhere to the meta but if you don't use the meta you will have an absolutely horrifyingly bad time. The game becomes a total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ spamfest where your fate is 75% RNG and you sit in a corner for the entire assault wave, do 2 objectives, and then sit out another entire assault wave. PD:TH's 145+ mode was like this quite often too and it was absolutely miserable.

The point is: The vanilla game isn't fun on higher difficulties. You're forced into extremely limited build options unless you enjoy suffering, and those builds 90% focus on completely breaking the game and deleting everything before it even has a chance to breathe on you. It's a horde shooter to the T, and not a very good one at that.
TrickTrigger Sep 21, 2019 @ 1:38pm 
Originally posted by Lightendash:
I think I should really try out Restoration mod sometime.
Not if you play VR, the VR compatability is as of now somewhat ♥♥♥♥, hopefully it gets updated soon.
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