La build de loud estilo fantasma mas optimizada.

[B Lior]

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=604112349

[Armin]

Hybrid builds just feel overall weak. Swap your build. It aint fun to play DW loud with a hybrid build. Atleast not for the players that still have problems with it. Those would look at a guide. So what you are doing is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ newbies in the ass. Doesnt seem like a nice thing to do to me.

[B Lior]

Is not funny? I dont try to made a funny build, this is full optimized build to play any loud heist...

[B Lior]

Oh, and where you see a hybrid build? This is full loud, not stealth/loud...

[Armin]

ohh wow. you honestly believe that? dear god. well where to start. dont play ecm feedback. dont go over silent killer ever in ghost.
mostly dont even go for silent alone that is a huge waste of points. you are so much weaker than any other dogde build. and you bring 0 skills for your team. that build is THE weakest i have ever seen for loud DW in this forum.
and i have seen a lot of ♥♥♥♥ in here.

[B Lior]

-With this build I got only 10% less dodge that maximum (Of course if we dont look for Perk Deck)
-The ECM feedback is the most OP equipement for almost all maps of this game loud.
-Guns:
Primary: 2-3 shots to kill a Skulldozer, 1 to any special or normal cop
Secondary: Demential rate of fire with lot of damage
Shuriken: One Shuriken on a special + Grinder = you HP full recovery
-Teamplay? Why I need a team? They normaly are completely useless for me at loud

Man, you even read the build? Cause it looks not, or if you did it, this means you no idea about how stats works at this game...

[B Lior]

But hey! Probably you know more than me with 100% archievements and 1820 hours played ;)

[Armin]

-the dogde value isnt what makes a dogde build strong
-mastermind does
-a suit without inspire seems rly weird. if you want have a fighting player there are like 4 way better options.
-ecm feedback is useable only a short time. and most maps take longer than 15min. where is become highly useless. also maybe the consumable is good. but you ever looked at what you spend to get there? everything else is utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ besides silent killer and the basic ghost stuff in tier 1-3.
-i can list weapons that do that without skills. while having inspire + fully loaded + your dogde value. ♥♥♥♥♥ pls. ♥♥♥♥♥ pls dont even talk about weapons. im talking about skills.
-i never said your throwable is bad. i said you build sucks. that means your skills.
-you need a team because its a team game. yes you maybe dont need em. they need to you. so carry em. you are the guy with 2k hours. get inspire help them get better. dont solo everything and call them bad. you are making them bad. you are the reason they wont improve.
-generel i dont like your mindset at all. you seem like a big ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
-NO I CANT READ YOUR BUILD. maybe you did notice we talk in english. this is an english forum. and you post some stuff in spanish i believe. ofc i cant read your dumb build. i can only see the skills. and that was bad enough that i had to say something. jesus fking christ.

ofc you are the better player. not like i have 100% and 1400~ hours played.
but as said before you dont seem like a decent person so this will prob. my last post here.

[B Lior]

Originally posted by Armin:

-ecm feedback is useable only a short time. and most maps take longer than 15min. where is become highly useless. also maybe the consumable is good. but you ever looked at what you spend to get there? everything else is utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ besides silent killer and the basic ghost stuff in tier 1-3.

XD XD XD XD XD
You dont fcking even know what ECM Feedback do!

The skills of tiers 1-3 are for:
Move faster
Got more dodge chance
Bag and get bags faster (That is usefull at ANY style at ANY type of map)
Make SMG stronger and faster to reload
Dont got fall damage

The skills of Silent Killer + The Profesional makes supresed guns completely OP versus normal guns (For example with the Tanatos you deal 3807 damage when without this skill you only deal 3045)

The ECM normal efect make turrets shot the enemy instead of us for 30 seconds each one
The ECM Feedback makes cops in a 10 meters radius got a headache and stop shot each one and this efect CAN BE USED AGAIN each 4 minutes ;D (Sorry, I cant stop laugh about you when I say this XD)

Oh... and this is not a English forum, is a Payday 2 forum (For any language ;D)

[Armin]

ecm feedback isnt the point... you dont have any useful skills just ghost. and basic other stuff.
you get basic t1-3 stuff and useful skills. not the other way around.
again im amazed how retarded you are. thana with 4k dmg or 3k dmg doesnt make a difference. im a thana player. i played both. for a long time. no breakpoint on dozer. for everything else the dmg isnt important. jesus fking christ. how do you have 1800h and so little game knowlegde. think before speaking.

its an unspoken rule thats its an english forum. look at the fast 25 posts. max you see 1 non english post. and that will prob. be yours. anyway im done you didnt even go into my arguments. just laughed and type more nonsense.
i think i speak for the whole armory and all the newbies that come for help here if i say this.

gtfo

[B Lior]

How the fck can I got this time and so little knowledge? This guy with that "so little game knowledge" just shut your mouth showing you how a skill that you call useles works ;)

[Bob]

Don't like that build either - seems just like a fun build

No true utility - completly depend on your teammates - and i wonder really how often does those ECM Feedback truly helps for the cost it takes to get

[B Lior]

Originally posted by Bob:

Don't like that build either - seems just like a fun build

No true utility - completly depend on your teammates - and i wonder really how often does those ECM Feedback truly helps for the cost it takes to get

Thanks for your comment, I can answer you the reasons about that skills if want.

The skills of Ghosts tiers 1-3 makes:
+Speed
+Dodge
-Damage fall
-Agro
+Speed to get bags
+Stamina recovery
+Rate of fire with SMG
-Reload time with SMG

The skills of the ECM means:
ECM basic efect will have a duration of 30 secods (To hack turrets)
ECM Feedback will be used 30 seconds each 4 minutes

The skills of supresed guns makes:
30% more dmg with supresed guns
30% chance to pierce the enemy armor with supresed guns
More stability with supresed guns
More accuracy with supresed guns
Zoom with supresed guns 100% faster

And about you need the team? Nope you didnt...
I play this build for long time and at a lot of heist I play like if I dont got team, cause with Grinder +a Shuriken you can recharge full your HP and with 9 Lives you can get up alone.

[Bälrod]

sinceramente, acabas de perder tu credibilidad para la mayoria que lea este post al soltar ese precioso

Originally posted by B Lior:

But hey! Probably you know more than me with 100% archievements and 1820 hours played ;)

<.<

[B Lior]

Originally posted by Bälrod:

sinceramente, acabas de perder tu credibilidad para la mayoria que lea este post al soltar ese precioso

Originally posted by B Lior:

But hey! Probably you know more than me with 100% archievements and 1820 hours played ;)

<.<

Si solo leen eso tienes razon, si leen el resto de los comentarios y saben un minimo del juego sabrán que llevo razon..

[Bälrod]

Originally posted by B Lior:

Originally posted by Bälrod:

sinceramente, acabas de perder tu credibilidad para la mayoria que lea este post al soltar ese precioso


<.<

Si solo leen eso tienes razon, si leen el resto de los comentarios y saben un minimo del juego sabrán que llevo razon..

por lo que veo, el mayor fallo de tu build es que esta orientada al juego en solitario, cuando se trata de un juego multijugador, incluso en solitario deja que desear, las perk de silenciador siempre me han parecido bastante innecesarias, especialmente ahora que todas las armas tienen un daño mas que decente incluso en deseo de muerte, al igual que los emc, son utiles sin duda, pero son muy situacionales, no en todos los mapas aparecen torretas para sacarle todo el partido que tienen, y el feedback no es muy seguro, sin contar de la cantidad de puntos que debes gastar para alcanzar dicha perk en comparacion con otras perks de otras ramas es excesivo para lo que hace, con otras armas como build de sigilo + plan b me pareceria muy decente, pero como build principal, me deja bastante frio :/