2024 Meta Build

[Dark Vector]

I'm thinking returning to Payday 2. So I was just wondering did the meta builds change yet from, Low concealment, crit dmg and akimbo shotgun. Or is that still the latest types of builds for one downs?

[=WAWA= Mustaherukka Gaming]

Publicado originalmente por CA$H THE GREAT:

Publicado originalmente por =WAWA= Mustaherukka Gaming:

I assume this is bait.

What are you talking about?

I assume you were using graze sniper.... Was it a zerk setup?

[clover <3]

Publicado originalmente por =WAWA= Mustaherukka Gaming:

Publicado originalmente por CA$H THE GREAT:

I'm racking up more kills with a sniper rifle than people with full auto machine guns. I'm consistently at 20 kills / min with the Grom, a semi-auto sniper with a 10-round mag. There is no 'meta', man.

With 7 armors, 23 perk decks, 200+ weapons, hundreds of weapon mods, thousands and thousands of builds....Payday 2 gives you more freedom of choice than any other shooter out there! Experiment and find out what works for you.

Stop trying to find an all-around "Best" and copying others, it takes the fun out of the game. It's more about finding the best builds and loadouts for the particular mission you are about to run. I run between 30 - 40 builds and they all have different use cases.

I assume this is bait.

yea.... graze snipers are one of, if not the most overpowered things in this entire game lol

[Ɛ: ʎɥɔʇɐԀ]

Publicado originalmente por =WAWA= Mustaherukka Gaming:

Akimbo SMG hacker.

literally the most braindead ♥♥♥♥ i ever used
legit managed to solo heat street on dsod with it

[Kevy & Wevy]

Publicado originalmente por CA$H THE GREAT:

I'm racking up more kills with a sniper rifle than people with full auto machine guns. I'm consistently at 20 kills / min with the Grom, a semi-auto sniper with a 10-round mag. There is no 'meta', man.

With 7 armors, 23 perk decks, 200+ weapons, hundreds of weapon mods, thousands and thousands of builds....Payday 2 gives you more freedom of choice than any other shooter out there! Experiment and find out what works for you.

Stop trying to find an all-around "Best" and copying others, it takes the fun out of the game. It's more about finding the best builds and loadouts for the particular mission you are about to run. I run between 30 - 40 builds and they all have different use cases.

ironic that you mention that there is no "meta" yet you use one of the most popular meta weapons in the game

[clover <3]

Publicado originalmente por Kevy & Wevy:

Publicado originalmente por CA$H THE GREAT:

-snip-

ironic that you mention that there is no "meta" yet you use one of the most popular meta weapons in the game

saying there is no meta also makes no sense. the word literally means most effective tactics available, and we know for sure some things in this game are better than others

[CA$H THE GREAT]

Publicado originalmente por =WAWA= Mustaherukka Gaming:

Publicado originalmente por CA$H THE GREAT:

What are you talking about?

I assume you were using graze sniper.... Was it a zerk setup?

Absolutely not, myself and many other experienced players at the time fought Graze's implementation all the way on these forums when Jules, that idiot at Overkill was ruining the game. He had a lot of terrible half-baked ideas that were bandaids on fixing the real balance issues. I have been vehemently opposed to Graze from Day 1. Sniping should be about precision kills, not exploiting a non-sensical over-powered skill.

No, this is my Grom build:
https://pd2builder.netlify.app/?s=10003s10M90-6r000145U0-4zc

Grom sniper / Mark-10 SMG
Anarchist deck with two-piece suit

And this is the video of me doing it:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/423594821

[clover <3]

Publicado originalmente por CA$H THE GREAT:

Publicado originalmente por =WAWA= Mustaherukka Gaming:

I assume you were using graze sniper.... Was it a zerk setup?

Absolutely not, myself and many other experienced players at the time fought Graze's implementation all the way on these forums when Jules, that idiot at Overkill was ruining the game. He had a lot of terrible half-baked ideas that were bandaids on fixing the real balance issues. I have been vehemently opposed to Graze from Day 1.

No, this is my Grom build:
https://pd2builder.netlify.app/?s=10003s10M90-6r000145U0-4zc

Grom sniper / Mark-10 SMG

And this is the video of me doing it:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/423594821

>is playing on dw
oh that explains a lot lol

[CA$H THE GREAT]

Publicado originalmente por citrussy <3:

Publicado originalmente por CA$H THE GREAT:

Absolutely not, myself and many other experienced players at the time fought Graze's implementation all the way on these forums when Jules, that idiot at Overkill was ruining the game. He had a lot of terrible half-baked ideas that were bandaids on fixing the real balance issues. I have been vehemently opposed to Graze from Day 1.

No, this is my Grom build:
https://pd2builder.netlify.app/?s=10003s10M90-6r000145U0-4zc

Grom sniper / Mark-10 SMG

And this is the video of me doing it:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/423594821

>is playing on dw
oh that explains a lot lol

My point was sniper builds can out-pace LMG builds in the right hands, ergo there are many many viable builds. Not some singular meta. It's just one example of many.

[CA$H THE GREAT]

Publicado originalmente por Kevy & Wevy:

Publicado originalmente por CA$H THE GREAT:

I'm racking up more kills with a sniper rifle than people with full auto machine guns. I'm consistently at 20 kills / min with the Grom, a semi-auto sniper with a 10-round mag. There is no 'meta', man.

With 7 armors, 23 perk decks, 200+ weapons, hundreds of weapon mods, thousands and thousands of builds....Payday 2 gives you more freedom of choice than any other shooter out there! Experiment and find out what works for you.

Stop trying to find an all-around "Best" and copying others, it takes the fun out of the game. It's more about finding the best builds and loadouts for the particular mission you are about to run. I run between 30 - 40 builds and they all have different use cases.

ironic that you mention that there is no "meta" yet you use one of the most popular meta weapons in the game

Are you kidding? Nearly half of the builds I run into are some auto-shotgun variant. There was a period of time where nearly everything I saw people running was either Brother's Grimms or Izthma / Judge. Snipers are not played as often because those builds are less forgiving. Given the choice to play strategically with well-placed shots vs spamming clips of ammo, most players will choose to spam and go the easy route.

[CA$H THE GREAT]

And apparently you didn't read my first reply very well - I said I'm running 30 to 40 different builds. It really just depends on what the mission calls for. All I'm saying is there is no one meta or even 3. The amount of options and situations in this game are too vast for things to be railroaded that much, even on the highest difficulties. If the DPS is there, your ammo pool is holding up, and you're surviving, you're doing better than most.

[=WAWA= Mustaherukka Gaming]

Publicado originalmente por CA$H THE GREAT:

Publicado originalmente por =WAWA= Mustaherukka Gaming:

I assume you were using graze sniper.... Was it a zerk setup?

Absolutely not, myself and many other experienced players at the time fought Graze's implementation all the way on these forums when Jules, that idiot at Overkill was ruining the game. He had a lot of terrible half-baked ideas that were bandaids on fixing the real balance issues. I have been vehemently opposed to Graze from Day 1. Sniping should be about precision kills, not exploiting a non-sensical over-powered skill.

No, this is my Grom build:
https://pd2builder.netlify.app/?s=10003s10M90-6r000145U0-4zc

Grom sniper / Mark-10 SMG
Anarchist deck with two-piece suit

And this is the video of me doing it:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/423594821

Just because you can outkill someone with basically an slightly better DMR, does not invalidate the existence of meta. Payday 2's balance is absolutely horrific, and that is why you get like commando 101 spamming or akimbo SMG hacker. Both completely brainless playstyles, with no skills required.

[It's a mother f**ing bulldozer]

Publicado originalmente por =WAWA= Mustaherukka Gaming:

Publicado originalmente por CA$H THE GREAT:

Absolutely not, myself and many other experienced players at the time fought Graze's implementation all the way on these forums when Jules, that idiot at Overkill was ruining the game. He had a lot of terrible half-baked ideas that were bandaids on fixing the real balance issues. I have been vehemently opposed to Graze from Day 1. Sniping should be about precision kills, not exploiting a non-sensical over-powered skill.

No, this is my Grom build:
https://pd2builder.netlify.app/?s=10003s10M90-6r000145U0-4zc

Grom sniper / Mark-10 SMG
Anarchist deck with two-piece suit

And this is the video of me doing it:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/423594821

Just because you can outkill someone with basically an slightly better DMR, does not invalidate the existence of meta. Payday 2's balance is absolutely horrific, and that is why you get like commando 101 spamming or akimbo SMG hacker. Both completely brainless playstyles, with no skills required.

I find graze snipers to be fairly crap tbh. Never understood why anyone would call them "meta"
I can out dps them with a pistol build easily. Constant 120% boost from trigger happy, very crit viable, not slow and also has a lot better ammo pickup.

[CA$H THE GREAT]

...and how do you 'validate' the existence of meta?? Do you have the means to data mine what tens of thousands of players are running? No you don't. And I would bet hard earned money that none of you have cranked the math for every possible weapon and load out combination. The 'meta' is only what a bunch of elitists on a forum or influencers on YouTube arbitrarily claim it is...

[The man, the myth, the leg]

Publicado originalmente por It's a mother f**ing bulldozer:

Publicado originalmente por =WAWA= Mustaherukka Gaming:

Just because you can outkill someone with basically an slightly better DMR, does not invalidate the existence of meta. Payday 2's balance is absolutely horrific, and that is why you get like commando 101 spamming or akimbo SMG hacker. Both completely brainless playstyles, with no skills required.

I find graze snipers to be fairly crap tbh. Never understood why anyone would call them "meta"
I can out dps them with a pistol build easily. Constant 120% boost from trigger happy, very crit viable, not slow and also has a lot better ammo pickup.

Yeah of course you can outdps them, that their main weakness
Their advantage isnt dps. Its being able to delete entire groups with a single shot

[The man, the myth, the leg]

Publicado originalmente por CA$H THE GREAT:

...and how do you 'validate' the existence of meta?? Do you have the means to data mine what tens of thousands of players are running? No you don't. And I would bet hard earned money that none of you have cranked the math for every possible weapon and load out combination. The 'meta' is only what a bunch of elitists on a forum or influencers on YouTube arbitrarily claim it is...

Its looking at what gets used at the highest difficulty or what the community agree is the strongest
If you have a fairly consistent few things that get picked the most you have a meta
Pretty much every game has some meta, it just varies how well defined and oppresive to the overall balance the meta strat is
Payday 2 imo has pretty good balance at the top. The fact that at least 3 diffrent setups were mentioned is a good thing