Is unseen strike worth it?

[Alpha_1812]

Since the skill revamp beta, unseen strike is a strong skill but a combination of reasons just make it not desirable for me. For the purpose of the discussion, let's assume unseen strike aced is working as intended.

First of all the trigger is extremely situational, not taking damage for 4 seconds almost never happens for me except when the assault wave has ended.

Furthermore unless you get second wind aced, you must get low blow or specialized killing basic to unlock unseen strike.

Second wind aced is not desirable due to unpredictability. Specialized killing is a fantastic skill but it has no synergy with unseen strike because the best weapons for specialized killing are high damage weapons that can achieve 1 hit 1 kill anyway.

So the logical choice would be getting a weapons with low/medium damage but is it worth spending 4 or 12 additional points to stacking low blow with unseen strike when you already have 21-30% crit chance with low blow? (realistically you probably shouldn't get low blow once your crit chance falls below 20%)

So what is everyone's opinion on this? Can anyone come up with a build that makes sense?

[Duck]

The +35% critical hit time frame is cancelled once you receive damage, so it's pointless to ace it. But i guess it's nice to get basic if you like to play long distance

[Ricken]

I've never gotten the skill, even in my many dodge builds. Seems too situational, especially considering you don't need crits to kill most enemies.

[kth]

Aced version doesn't even work now.
Basic is meh.

[Alpha_1812]

Originally posted by Pak RT:

The +35% critical hit time frame is cancelled once you receive damage, so it's pointless to ace it. But i guess it's nice to get basic if you like to play long distance

Originally posted by Ulysses:

Aced version doesn't even work now.
Basic is meh.

You guys have failed to read what I wrote

Originally posted by Alpha-Omega-1812:

For the purpose of the discussion, let's assume unseen strike aced is working as intended.

[Duck]

If it's worked as intended, you can almost practically get +35% critical throughout the heist.
If really dont want to get specialised killing, you still can get aced the professional because increases in accuracy and stab is always a nice thing in high RoF low damage weapon.
edit: http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mBdfr:eFikL:tMNoqR:gIjkLMNPQr:fHjl:pE8:::

Just gonna add a build since you asked (and assuming all skills are working as intended)

Reason for other skills that I chose in this build:

-Aced low blow: increases flexibility with your weapon choice
-Aced opt illusion: ditto
-Aced body expertise: for high RoF weapon play, it synergise very well
-Bullseye basic: cause I choose ex-pres
-FAK: good choice of deployable when you play ex-pres dodge (esp on DW) + can support other people in team easier (esp with uppers aced)
-Swan song: cause it's fun to go into God mode for 9 seconds before dying :P. If you are not swan song type of guy, you can choose shock and awe aced, but i reckon you would bring explosive utilities secondary

[Alpha_1812]

Originally posted by Pak RT:

If it's worked as intended, you can almost practically get +35% critical throughout the heist.
If really dont want to get specialised killing, you still can get aced the professional because increases in accuracy and stab is always a nice thing in high RoF low damage weapon.
edit: http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mBdfr:eFikL:tMNoqR:gIjkLMNPQr:fHjl:pE8:::

Just gonna add a build since you asked (and assuming all skills are working as intended)
Reason for other skills that I chose in this build
Aced low blow: increases flexibility with your weapon choice
Aced opt illusion: ditto
Aced body expertise: for high RoF weapon play, it synergise very well
Bullseye basic: cause I choose ex-pres
FAK: good choice of deployable when you play ex-pres dodge (esp on DW) + can support other people in team easier (esp with uppers aced)
Swan song: cause it's fun to go into God mode for 9 seconds before dying. If you are not swan song type of guy, you can choose shock and awe aced, but i reckon you would bring explosive utilities secondary

I thought body expertise is considered a rubbish skill due to how the maths work but that's a discussion for another thread.

This is my generic dodge build with all of my quality of life skills taken off, I have 13 points left, so I can get unseen strike aced if I want to, it's just whether I want to spend the points for it instead of the other stuff. I use clarion, HE judge and ex president with it.

http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mACEfgiJKl:ebFiL:tnqr:ggIJLnPQr:ibcdea:::

[Duck]

Originally posted by Alpha-Omega-1812:

Originally posted by Pak RT:

If it's worked as intended, you can almost practically get +35% critical throughout the heist.
If really dont want to get specialised killing, you still can get aced the professional because increases in accuracy and stab is always a nice thing in high RoF low damage weapon.
edit: http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mBdfr:eFikL:tMNoqR:gIjkLMNPQr:fHjl:pE8:::

Just gonna add a build since you asked (and assuming all skills are working as intended)
Reason for other skills that I chose in this build
Aced low blow: increases flexibility with your weapon choice
Aced opt illusion: ditto
Aced body expertise: for high RoF weapon play, it synergise very well
Bullseye basic: cause I choose ex-pres
FAK: good choice of deployable when you play ex-pres dodge (esp on DW) + can support other people in team easier (esp with uppers aced)
Swan song: cause it's fun to go into God mode for 9 seconds before dying. If you are not swan song type of guy, you can choose shock and awe aced, but i reckon you would bring explosive utilities secondary

I thought body expertise is considered a rubbish skill due to how the maths work but that's a discussion for another thread.

This is my generic dodge build with all of my quality of life skills taken off, I have 13 points left, so I can get unseen strike aced if I want to, it's just whether I want to spend the points for it instead of the other stuff. I use clarion, HE judge and ex president with it.

http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mACEfgiJKl:ebFiL:tnqr:ggIJLnPQr:ibcdea:::

Now you failed reading my post :P

If the skills is working as intended (or formulaed as intended) body expertise could worth quite awhile. Ofc you can ditch them, but I personally feel that I can see the difference now even with the rubbish math involved right now

[Alpha_1812]

Originally posted by Pak RT:

Originally posted by Alpha-Omega-1812:

I thought body expertise is considered a rubbish skill due to how the maths work but that's a discussion for another thread.

This is my generic dodge build with all of my quality of life skills taken off, I have 13 points left, so I can get unseen strike aced if I want to, it's just whether I want to spend the points for it instead of the other stuff. I use clarion, HE judge and ex president with it.

http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mACEfgiJKl:ebFiL:tnqr:ggIJLnPQr:ibcdea:::

Now you failed reading my post :P

If the skills is working as intended (or formulaed as intended) body expertise could worth quite awhile. Ofc you can ditch them, but I personally feel that I can see the difference now even with the rubbish math involved right now

I thought body expertise is working as intended, but doesn't matter because I aim for headshots anyway.

EDIT: However I do want to get back to Unseen Strike, how often can you stay out of damage for 4 seconds?

[Duck]

Originally posted by Alpha-Omega-1812:

Originally posted by Pak RT:

Now you failed reading my post :P

If the skills is working as intended (or formulaed as intended) body expertise could worth quite awhile. Ofc you can ditch them, but I personally feel that I can see the difference now even with the rubbish math involved right now

I thought body expertise is working as intended, but doesn't matter because I aim for headshots anyway.

You can always opt it out, that's just how i would put my build if i want LB unseen strike high rof dodge play

Edit: body expertise could have better formula to fit the description better

[glythe]

It works fine with a concealment dodge build. Works best if you have some friends running muscle and not a bunch of dodge folk using the target me less skill under ghost.

[Cyberbeni]

If it would work as intended then the aced version would be good against dozers if you are using (HE) Shotguns or low damage ARs/SMGs.

I could fit in the basic version to my silenced SMG build but since that's the last skill I would get and I'm still farming infamy levels, I rarely get to try it, so don't know how good it is. Most likely only good in a few situations.

[AonGreyFox]

If it work, 4 seconds is fine by me, armor recovery time + reload during cover combat. I just count to 4.5 and jack out the box for strike like the book said.

But I use this skill in Body Expertise build ..... I don't think it good for normal conceal dodge build, drain too much point for survival/team assist skill.

BTW .... I need to check how much bug in this skill revamp, know nothing what work and what not.