Mod for Old Skill Tree

[TOMOKI]

Hi Everyone,

Just wondering if there are any mods out there that allow for the old skill tree to be used (preupdate 100). I would like to once again enjoy Payday 2 like I used to with a couple friends. I could go on and on about this and have reasons for asking so... Thanks in advance!

[Ellie]

im not even sure if this is possible in the first place tbh

[Gigomat]

made a few approaches even before 100 to get modders to secure the system as a mod but it was conveniently ignored by most of the folks here. I guess it would have meant too much work for too few people using it. If people cry for more "abilities" you aren't exactly welcomed by wishing to take a step back and have a look on what was wrong with the old one. At least we had real classes back then- nothing a simple rework of the skills couldn't have fixed for good.
I'd gladly see someone getting rid of the new "difficulties" and provide a classic mod with death wish as it's supposed to be- like ellie did with her excellent mod.

[TOMOKI]

Originally posted by Miss Ellie:

im not even sure if this is possible in the first place tbh

Originally posted by Gigomat:

made a few approaches even before 100 to get modders to secure the system as a mod but it was conveniently ignored by most of the folks here. I guess it would have meant too much work for too few people using it. If people cry for more "abilities" you aren't exactly welcomed by wishing to take a step back and have a look on what was wrong with the old one. At least we had real classes back then- nothing a simple rework of the skills couldn't have fixed for good.
I'd gladly see someone getting rid of the new "difficulties" and provide a classic mod with death wish as it's supposed to be- like ellie did with her excellent mod.

Thanks for replying! I found this post on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/paydayupdate78/wiki/index

The only issue now is that I don't know how to add maps into the game without including the new skill tree. I really want to play Payday 2 again using the old skill tree. Those are the glory days.

[Gigomat]

forget about using new stuff like maps and items with the old game. The only way to go is a mod that brings the old skillsystem back. You are welcome to try but i almost guarantee that your up78 game will crash hard...

[Gigomat]

well you also have the opportunity to conciously not use any of the new skills by choice. Just try to rebuilt your char with the new one. In many cases it works. Unfortunately we have to endure a difficutly design (only by name with no real content) that almost makes it mandatory to pick certain skills. The game "progressed" to somewhere, you know

[TOMOKI]

Originally posted by Gigomat:

forget about using new stuff like maps and items with the old game. The only way to go is a mod that brings the old skillsystem back. You are welcome to try but i almost guarantee that your up78 game will crash hard...

Originally posted by Gigomat:

well you also have the opportunity to conciously not use any of the new skills by choice. Just try to rebuilt your char with the new one. In many cases it works. Unfortunately we have to endure a difficutly design (only by name with no real content) that almost makes it mandatory to pick certain skills. The game "progressed" to somewhere, you know

Hmmm well I think the old skill system is much more important to have rather than everything else that comes along with it. I don't mind not having any of the new weapons because they're quite a gimmick. I guess the only way around it is a mod. Where to start hahaha

[Gigomat]

i don't have the programming skills- in case i would have had them i'd have started it by myself if nescessary. There really is another solution to your problem, even if the approach comes with less intrusive alterations to the vanilla game. Give ellies DW+ a chance. She got some of the skills nerfed but it it's absolutely worth it. It's by far the best mod out there besides sc's mod. ovk should have just asked her and adopt her concept instead of that ridiculous so called difficulty rebalance with that od ♥♥♥♥ as the alleged crown of it. Even if it supports the up-to-date game it also serves the purpose of bringing you back to the roots and thats awesome.

[TOMOKI]

Originally posted by Gigomat:

i don't have the programming skills- in case i would have had them i'd have started it by myself if nescessary. There really is another solution to your problem, even if the approach comes with less intrusive alterations to the vanilla game. Give ellies DW+ a chance. She got some of the skills nerfed but it it's absolutely worth it. It's by far the best mod out there besides sc's mod. ovk should have just asked her and adopt her concept instead of that ridiculous so called difficulty rebalance with that od ♥♥♥♥ as the alleged crown of it. Even if it supports the up-to-date game it also serves the purpose of bringing you back to the roots and thats awesome.

I really don't like the new skill tree simply because it takes away the aspects of cooperation this very game so advertises. I can one man army pretty much everything below deathwish and 2 man everything that's deathwish. Who needs ammo bags when you can just rely solely on ammo pickup? That's just ridiculous. It's only fun for me for the time being because I like helping new players get started and I like shooting things in this game particularly. The new skill tree takes away most of that fun for me because I'm basically overpowered and it's no longer a challenge. As long as I kill everything, new players will keep me in lobby and I can't use any other build because there's this hidden expectation for me to be a reliable player.

May you tell me more about this "ellies DW+"? What is this exactly? I'm fairly noob when it comes to modding. I found some guides on how to write LUA scripts but I'd have to learn it first. I've also sent an email towards James (Payday 2 BLT creator) to hopefully get him intrigued since he's obviously a pro at writing in LUA.

The game is more dead to me than ever... yet I play because of the people who have tried to help me get back into the game (because I want to shoot stuff as well) and really just simply cause there are new players who are really high level and can't do a simple basic bank stealth. Do you realize how sad that is? Everything, excluding stealth only maps, can be done easier through loud than stealth. It used to be the other way around I feel. Stealth was still challenging at times but nothing unattainable. That's what made it fun though. I hate how Overkill just simply decided a revamp in skill trees was basically dumping skills and recreating entire skill trees after 3 years of gameplay. That's why I quit in the first place.

As a player who started playing this game from Day 1, it may sound to the rest of those who read this as someone who simply longs of the past. I can't deny that; however, if there's a thought of "if you don't like it, don't play it", that's not a resolution. This game changed through the community. We asked for rebalancing but we received something entirely different.

I read older forum posts and people liked the new skill tree at the time... but you know why? It dumped the useless filler skills which is great and it also made people stronger... but over the long run, that takes away the life of the game.

I even detest the idea of having added infamy levels above V-100 because if you look at the game now, V-100 is a low level compared to XXV-100. How do you think new players feel about that?

Overkill needs to look at the implications of their actions and think about what happens if this is implemented before throwing things into the equation. A great example of this is the whole micro transaction fiasco.

[Ellie]

Originally posted by TOMOKI:

Originally posted by Gigomat:

i don't have the programming skills- in case i would have had them i'd have started it by myself if nescessary. There really is another solution to your problem, even if the approach comes with less intrusive alterations to the vanilla game. Give ellies DW+ a chance. She got some of the skills nerfed but it it's absolutely worth it. It's by far the best mod out there besides sc's mod. ovk should have just asked her and adopt her concept instead of that ridiculous so called difficulty rebalance with that od ♥♥♥♥ as the alleged crown of it. Even if it supports the up-to-date game it also serves the purpose of bringing you back to the roots and thats awesome.

May you tell me more about this "ellies DW+"? What is this exactly?

its a (bad) mod i made during october 2015 to try and make death wish actually hard again. ive updated it a lot and it nerfs some skills to try and balance things out
if you get an overhaul mod i'd recommend sc's mod over mine though, its a lot more fun and balances things much better

[Syfe Kuroslayer]

how did you manage to affect spawns with it? or is it all scripts?

I kind of want to see what i could do with it but i dont have the old code and i rather create a semi-harder difficulty.

also a good place to start learning LUA is poking at some older mods to learn how things might work. I have to say that the DW+ mod did kind of help in some sense when it came to learning how to mess with spawn groups

[TOMOKI]

Originally posted by Miss Ellie:

Originally posted by TOMOKI:

May you tell me more about this "ellies DW+"? What is this exactly?

its a (bad) mod i made during october 2015 to try and make death wish actually hard again. ive updated it a lot and it nerfs some skills to try and balance things out
if you get an overhaul mod i'd recommend sc's mod over mine though, its a lot more fun and balances things much better

Originally posted by Syfe Kuroslayer:

how did you manage to affect spawns with it? or is it all scripts?

I kind of want to see what i could do with it but i dont have the old code and i rather create a semi-harder difficulty.

also a good place to start learning LUA is poking at some older mods to learn how things might work. I have to say that the DW+ mod did kind of help in some sense when it came to learning how to mess with spawn groups

Interesting.... um... where can I find SC's mod?

Also, I was thinking of grabbing the old hoxhud but I don't know where I can find that anymore. The Payday 2 BLT doesn't work with older updates of Payday 2 so I won't be able to use that. LUA is a weird scripting language... I've like never seen it prior to this game.