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For those who don't know, Schneider is an Overkill level designer (Payday 2). https://twitter.com/ZombeyPaz
If that's the general sentiment around the OVK office, then I don't think I'll be supporting them in the future. Way to be insulting to a sizable portion of your market.
Yeah, sure, I'll get right on that, thanks for the advice! I'll just need to go grab a couple hundred bucks so I can buy a new PC to run it, the game itself, and all of that DLC. And Once I've got all that taken care of, I'll put all those hours into unlocking everything I already have unlocked on 360, and getting back up to level 100, no problem! And hey, while I'm in la-la-land, why don't I just go ahead and buy all that crap for my friends who make up my loyal heisting crew? 'Cuz lord knows I ain't playin' with no randoms!
♥♥♥♥ this guy. That's about all I can really say here. ♥♥♥♥ him. I'm reminded of when Adam Orth told people who were angry over XB1's proposed DRM to just "deal with it," and if you lived in a poorly connected area, then, basically, too bad, f*ck you. There was something else I was reminded of, too... what was it? Oh yeah!
I'm reminded of when Infinity Ward tried to handle its own marketing for Modern Warfare 2(Yeah, I know, it's not PR, but it's still an example of why developers need help from outside experts on some things). They came up with a video about an organization they called the "Fight Against Grenade Spam." Think about that title. Now, think about the acronym that would be derived from it's name. Thought about? Good.
Yeah, IW clearly caused themselves no problems, backlash or controversy what-so-ever from this!*
*I lied.
Thank you. That means a lot to this community, not just me.
Thanks for the post and your support
I'd recommend informing him of this, and also including Simon Viklund and Goldfarb's posts. Goldfarb may be gone but what he said while still at Overkill still counts.
First of all, this is a message from only one developer on a non-Overkill related Twitter account. This is her private twitter account, becuase as you can see she has the name "Melanie Schneider" and not "Overkill Paz". This means the things she has tweeted are personal tweets and nothing related to PAYDAY 2 or Overkill.
I am the clanleader of Cash.net, an invite-only heisting crew. We have about 50 members, which is about the same size as the Overkill dev team. Now, if one of my members went on Twitter to say "all people who wear hats are stupid" are you gonna say Cash.net is offensive and you will never support Cash.net again? No, I think not, because this was the person's personal opinion. You cannot blame an entire group (or dev team, duh) for the stuff one person does or says.
And in the first tweet she is right. Sometimes things do not go as planned, and there's no reason to keep whining about that nor to start getting offensive. In this first sweet she never even mentions PAYDAY and is just speaking in general. And yes, in the second tweet she also does not mention PAYDAY and is talking in general. It's true, when you want a game that's not out, or not working on a specific machine, then if you really wanna play it that bad, you should order that machine if you can afford one. Ofcourse you shouldn't do this for just one game, but there's a lot of games that are "PC-exclusive" so to speak.
I don't see the problem in these tweets and I don't see why all of you are here suddenly saying that you don't wanna support Overkill anymore because of what one person says. Care to explain anyone?
You know who else didn't want people to speak out? NAZIS. Clearly OK is just an umbrella company that funnels all cash directly into the neo nazi aryan nation. If you are defending their actions then you might as well dress in drag, call yourself Eva and make out with hitler you facist.
I'd like to preface my response. Since you have (quite unfairly, I should add) chosen to address everyone in the thread in this post, I shall be responding as if you addressed it to me personally.
Nope. Even if it is her personal account, she is still known as a member of Overkill. As a result, her interactions with the community do reflect on Overkill, however slightly they may. Though it may be unfair to ascribe her own opinion to a larger group of people, I haven't done that (If you'll scroll up, you'll see I said "If that's the general sentiment around the OVK office...". So get off my case.
In addition to my previous paragraph, I have to say that's a faulty comparison. Your clan cannot compare to a professional organisation. Your clan does not produce a product, and rely on consumers to purchase that product. Your clan doesn't need consumer support, because if people don't like you, you just stop growing. That's it. Your clan doesn't suffer financially if outsiders view you as negligent.
Plus, no-one's saying "Cash.net is offensive". We're saying the post is offensive. Stop misrepresenting our argument.
"Whining", eh? Way to not try and de-vaule the opinion of others' [/sarcasm]. And quite frankly, I didn't whine. I'd much appreciate if you'd stop trying to put words in my mouth (or whatever the equivalent is, in this case).
That doesn't make it okay at all. Someone said console PD2 was broken. Paz then told them to "switch platforms and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ play it there". You see nothing wrong with that? It's rude as hell, and when you're dealing with a disgruntled customer, albeit in an non-official capacity, it's a poor move to make. Not only that, but we have also been promised support for PD2 on numerous occasions -- so to be told to "switch platforms and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ play it there*" is insulting.
*"there" = PC, obviously. Even a blind man can see the implication.
Even the second one? Then you clearly lack good manners.
I've already stated "If this is the general sentiment in the OVK office". Ergo, I didn't say that. Stop straw-manning me.
Condescension? Wow. At this point, I might just mistake you for a troll.
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Much appreciated, man.
This post is off to a great start! If you weren't already aware, Overkill Apologists have been unwelcome in this sub-forum for months, usually because all they do is cause problems via petty insults or condescending remarks. See your own post here for an example of the latter.
When you, as an individual, are a known employee of a company that deals with consumers, you MUST mind your tongue. You are associated with a company, and what you say is therefore reflective of it. It doesn't matter if it's said privately, or professionally, because all that matters is you said it. One of the stars of the show "Duck Dynasty" made anti-gay statements in an interview, speaking only for himself, and was punished by the show's producers. A collage football coach (whose name escapes me) made racist remarks in the privacy of his own household, but was released from his position. Adam Orth, who I mentioned in my earlier post, enraged gamers with his comments on Xbox One's DRM, and was forced to resign under pressure form Microsoft because of it. It happens frequently, and Overkill is not exempt from this simply because they are a small company. The statements made on twitter reflect poorly upon them because of the posters association with their corporate being.
Here, I'll simply agree with what ImPantsAtThis said in his own post. There is a significant difference between a gaming clan and a game developer.
To label the reactions here as nothing more than whining is a classic corporate apologist move, done in an effort to devalue criticism and exalt your precious company. It is nothing that has not been done before, in this very forum no less, and it is a move that will get you nowhere.
The tweets were in direct response to questions about the console editions of Payday 2. While she never mentions the game by name, it is heavily implied that this is what she refers to. Using the lack of a direct mention is a weak and desperate attempt to remove blame from them, and paint this fire as misdirected. Again, a common move amongst corporate thralls, and again, one that will not work here.
While this is clearly true, it fails as an argument because it hinges entirely on those exclusives being enticing to the individual, as well as holding no true bearing on this subject in general.
This is far from "all of a sudden." We have not been sitting here, praising Overkill for its job well done. A good number of us who frequent these forums have long held a distaste for them. This has not started a new fire, it has simply reignited an old one.
As far as any further explanation? We've not had direct contact with anyone at Overkill in months. Their last post in here was simply to acknowledge a bug with the last PS3 patch. No mention was made of further updates or content, and no comment was made on the status of the Xbox 360's patch. During his Reddit AMA, Almir dismissed or ignored all questions regarding the console versions, simply saying "We're working on it" as has been said for over a year now. The only response console users have gotten recently are the tweets that are the subject of this thread, and they seem to confirm long-held fears of console support being dropped completely, and imply that Overkill only cares about its PC users.
That enough of an explanation for you? Or do I need to make an even longer post?