Denuvo

[TehOwn]

I bought Two Point Hospital after Denuvo was removed (great move, btw) but Campus still has it (with no end in sight) and now this?

I refuse to buy a game that has Denuvo with no time-limit and no guarantee of removal in future. I don't want to rent a game. I want to be able to play it 20 years from now, just like Theme Hospital, Sim Tower, Sim Golf, Rollercoaster Tycoon, Transport Tycoon, all the greats.

So, will you guys commit to a removal plan in future? One year? Two years?

Otherwise, I guess I'll just wait for it to be in a free giveaway.

[CheeseBoar]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ten4:

You know you don’t really own your steam games, right?

Legally, no, you don't, but in practice, you absolutely do. As long as there's no extra DRM (like Denuvo), Steam games and the Steam client are portable, and Offline Mode lasts forever. You can move everything to as many machines as your want to, and everything will work offline forever, so short of getting a knock on your door and your backups being physically removed from your house, you pretty much own them.

Anyway, at least the Linux and Mac versions of Two Point Museum don't have Denuvo, so you at least don't have to keep asking permission to play what you've paid for on those OSes.

[Venatacia]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von YONULBAVO STIPUD:

i'm gonna buy it multiple times to make up for you dweebs not buying it

Bet you wouldn't say that about the 5090 Nvidia card.

[editbayrat]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Rioden:

Usually, the company loses more money from people who don't want the garbage in the games they buy than it loses to pirating.

You know that it really doesn't stop piracy, blah blah blah...

And you know this because...? You have no idea how much money they do or don't make using copy protection software. You're just makin' ♥♥♥♥ up to be right. I don't think they have any expectation that copy protection will stop 100% of piracy, just cut out the largest part of it. The truth is a very insignificant part of the population even knows, much less cares, what a DRM is.

[taeles]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xedius:

They didn't remove it of goodwill. They do it eventually because that crap costs money monthly/yearly depending on the deal. In the beginning Denuvo was one time payment, but now it's a subscription model and most of them remove it after a certain period.

my moneys on this ^

once the initial hit subsides and sales settle and they are sure that denuvo has prevented as much piracy as they 'hope', it'll be removed. many of my games have done this

[editbayrat]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ten4:

You know you don’t really own your steam games, right?

It's always shocking to me how many fuzzy faced end users are absolutely certain they know how to run the publisher's business better than the publisher does. A hidden pool of business savants deep inside the gaming world...

[Q]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von CheeseBoar:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ten4:

You know you don’t really own your steam games, right?

Legally, no, you don't, but in practice, you absolutely do. As long as there's no extra DRM (like Denuvo), Steam games and the Steam client are portable, and Offline Mode lasts forever. You can move everything to as many machines as your want to, and everything will work offline forever, so short of getting a knock on your door and your backups being physically removed from your house, you pretty much own them.

Anyway, at least the Linux and Mac versions of Two Point Museum don't have Denuvo, so you at least don't have to keep asking permission to play what you've paid for on those OSes.

exactly, what that other person said is nothing but a terrible strawman and whataboutism. You can literally install games, remove inet access and play forever, that doesn't happen if denuvo is present which requires online to authenticate every few days or so.

[scragg]

Who cares. Enjoy the game, or don't. You only live once.

[Dark]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von TehOwn:

I bought Two Point Hospital after Denuvo was removed (great move, btw) but Campus still has it (with no end in sight) and now this?

I refuse to buy a game that has Denuvo with no time-limit and no guarantee of removal in future. I don't want to rent a game. I want to be able to play it 20 years from now, just like Theme Hospital, Sim Tower, Sim Golf, Rollercoaster Tycoon, Transport Tycoon, all the greats.

So, will you guys commit to a removal plan in future? One year? Two years?

Otherwise, I guess I'll just wait for it to be in a free giveaway.

Just out of curious will people commit to stop stealing companies games off the internet?

[Ardbug]

So day 1 DLC + denuvo ?

So they cut out a chunk of the game and selling it as DLC even though it is clearly content that is ready on day 1, and on top of that they add Denuvo as well ??
The 2 point series started out well, they should have gone with that and made it better, instead they made it worse and cut content for release day greed ... yeah I have other games to play.

[Dalamarian]

Even though I enjoy the game, if I had realised before buying the game they had Denuvo I would of not bough the game.
Day 1 DLC? nothing new there.

[Kosm1cznY]

Depoovo = no buy

[Zusuper]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ardbug:

So they cut out a chunk of the game and selling it as DLC even though it is clearly content that is ready on day 1, and on top of that they add Denuvo as well ??
The 2 point series started out well, they should have gone with that and made it better, instead they made it worse and cut content for release day greed ... yeah I have other games to play.

What? The Day 1 DLCs is the Explorer Edition it’s Fine you dont need it. The Explorer Edition makes the game easier I don’t have installed it. With the Denuco I can totally agree but they use the anti tamper where obviously they check if you have a legit copy with the steam DRM because I download it on my steam deck and before download I disabled the cloud and before start I turned of the network and it worked. But I think when denuvo goes down they will remove it. The bad Denuvo is the always online DRM not the Anti Tamper

[Mister Jofel]

During pre-purchase there were 2 editions. Consider it a platinum edition or deluxe edition which other games have too.
The DLC is merely an upgrade from the standard edition to this platinum or deluxe edition. Don't really see the problem....

Next to that I'm playing on a Mac. So no idea what the problem with this denuvo thing is. Just enjoying this game

[Zarquon]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von scragg:

Who cares. Enjoy the game, or don't. You only live once.

but that's the point. for some of us (without permanent internet access) we are unable to start it due to denuvo telling us we aren't allowed to play the game we brought.

[Cacheelma]

What DLC?