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UnkindledThuum 2014 年 1 月 14 日 下午 1:42
nProtect Gameguard = Rootkit Heads up.
I did a little digging and found the nProtect Gameguard to be rootkit material. A rootkit is a program that gives someone privilaged access to your computer. Windows repair techs use this same kind of technology when you have them repair your computer over the phone. AKA the owners of this game can access your files and your operating system at will. Not cool. Buyer beware.
最後修改者:UnkindledThuum; 2014 年 1 月 14 日 下午 1:48
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sköldpadda 2014 年 1 月 17 日 上午 12:17 
引用自 Godeke
For me it is the support headache it causes and the ineffective nature of such programs. Eve Online does just fine with a client with exposed Python code because the server doesn't send anything other than what the user needs and legitimately can use. Eve is full of some of the most exploitive players online, yet they are limited in the ways they can "cheat" due to the system's design.

GameGuard is a bandage over the gushing wound of trusting the client with far more than needed and not validating inputs. Then it interferes with your day job if you are a programmer, because the same tools you use to make a living are "cheaters" tools. Meh, this isn't a conspiracy, it is just sloppy workmanship and a crappy attempt to fix something that shouldn't have been broken in the first place.

Learn to code secure games, don't put some incompatibility generating (and ineffective) patch on later.

Why do you bring that up here?
I dont think anyone from nProtect will read this thread, you best option is to contact nProtect and bring up the programs you need to run at the same time as the game, and if they are legal programs like you claim I dont see why they shouldnt be able to remove their signature from their softwares blacklist.

The reason they use the design they do for MMO's is that you would get alot more latency if they were to add a servercheck for every little thing you do. People would cry about bad performance etc, but perhaps the industry should start streaming games instead so no-one can cheat and every gets higher latency.
Godeke 2014 年 1 月 17 日 上午 7:26 
"Why do you bring that up here?"

Because there are legitimate reasons to not like these "guardian" programs. Eve provably doesn't need such crutches, so server checks are fine, thank you. In fact, properly filtering the data to what you *can* see at a given moment *reduces* packet sizes.

Personally, it no longer impacts me because I have a separate gaming rig from my coding, but prior to that it was lame to get development tools forcably terminated because I was launching some tiny web game without shutting down my work day first. It made taking a break a larger pain than necessary.

GameGuard used to kill Ventrillo and Teamspeak (no idea if they still do) because they could be used to "generate lag". No: if your game is so poorly coded that lag is a *benefit*, then you have done it wrong.

I say it again, learning to code would be *vastly* preferable to trying to plug all the holes in the collender of leaks they introducted by being lazy.

(I should also *commend* Blizzard's guardian programmers in that it was the least intrusive of them. Guardian programs don't *need* to be ♥♥♥♥♥ about what they do, just more lazyness to use "terminate all the things" lack-of-logic.)
最後修改者:Godeke; 2014 年 1 月 17 日 上午 7:27
Junoh 2014 年 1 月 17 日 上午 9:26 
引用自 Chrono
Tinfoil hats everywhere.

Tin foil isn't strong enough anymore. We need full suits lined with lead.
Lavian 2014 年 1 月 17 日 上午 9:39 
引用自 Godeke
"Why do you bring that up here?"

Because there are legitimate reasons to not like these "guardian" programs. Eve provably doesn't need such crutches, so server checks are fine, thank you. In fact, properly filtering the data to what you *can* see at a given moment *reduces* packet sizes.

Personally, it no longer impacts me because I have a separate gaming rig from my coding, but prior to that it was lame to get development tools forcably terminated because I was launching some tiny web game without shutting down my work day first. It made taking a break a larger pain than necessary.

GameGuard used to kill Ventrillo and Teamspeak (no idea if they still do) because they could be used to "generate lag". No: if your game is so poorly coded that lag is a *benefit*, then you have done it wrong.

I say it again, learning to code would be *vastly* preferable to trying to plug all the holes in the collender of leaks they introducted by being lazy.

(I should also *commend* Blizzard's guardian programmers in that it was the least intrusive of them. Guardian programs don't *need* to be ♥♥♥♥♥ about what they do, just more lazyness to use "terminate all the things" lack-of-logic.)
I've been using Ventrilo for the past 5 years, pretty much constantly, and I've never seen a single program complain about it.

Also I've never seen anything forcibly shut down dev tools, but I don't tend to be playing game whiile I've got compilers open.
最後修改者:Lavian; 2014 年 1 月 17 日 上午 9:39
Amadgnome 2014 年 1 月 17 日 下午 6:04 
What's even worse is that it's a pain in the butt to completely remove GG because when you uninstall both programs GG leaves a lot of crap on the computer.
Crazy 2014 年 1 月 18 日 上午 1:00 
Why do I feel like everyone who's commented here is stretching the truth?
Montiblanc 2014 年 1 月 18 日 上午 11:30 
yea im not gonna install for this...already went thru guides on removing all dat stuff...

and skuggan i wholely agree on the streaming games method as it also appeals to a much wider playerbase
最後修改者:Montiblanc; 2014 年 1 月 18 日 上午 11:32
Pretty Swag for a Steemtag 2014 年 1 月 18 日 下午 5:36 
this big discussion about what this program gives people access to.. the program is limited to looking for specific game altering programs in the game's directory it will then block from starting and notify the devs. the devs themselves shouldn't have any access to your computer as that would require something completely differnet to allow them to do, which would require them to have a keylogger or some other form of spyware installed to do to even access your computer, let alone alter it.

the rootkit itself is actually acting as a mask to hide the programs that actually do the filtering when the game boots I am a seasoned MMO player and most of them I play have some form of gameguard on it or another (or whatever anti-hack service they go through) it should not interfere with your daily routine so long as you don't have the game running while doing your thing, but then again why would you need to be playing your game AND programming at the same time? exactly.

it's a necessary evil to keep the jackass chinese gold farmers at bay. It isn't installing viruses on your computer, this is in fact all the porn you insist on downloading. ANYONE with even a shred of knowledge on proper computer and network security should have zero problem with this. as for uninstalling it isn't hard at all. Trace and kill rootkit, find and kill programs it was hiding, wipe it's directory out of program files those hack shields have a limited set of files it affects, it's not going to show up in a dozen different files , it'll show up in 2 maximum.

引用自 Hewhosknownasiam
Holy god are the forums for this game full of idiots. I wouldnt doubt if after pissing and moaning on this thread half the compainers went straight to facebook and twitter to complain about how this game invades their privacy...


"wave to the NSA" wins my award for least intelligent thing ever said.

sadly I partially agree with you, but at the same time there was a bill passed allowing the NSA to moniter web and phone traffic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Intelligence_Sharing_and_Protection_Act

there's a link, not the best, but it sums it up, there is another for phone traffic monitoring
最後修改者:Pretty Swag for a Steemtag; 2014 年 1 月 18 日 下午 5:40
sharky 2014 年 1 月 18 日 下午 5:46 
sure, it's not a virus in the traditional definition. ie. it isn't really doing anything malicious per se. however a) it does not uninstall with the game, you have to manually remove it
b) it modifies, in an undesirable way, the way your computer functions (like a shoddy anti-virus program, the irony.)
c) it doesn't work to prevent people from hacking or cheating

so it's an unnecessary, non-optional, PITA program that's not doing the job it's supposed to.
Pretty Swag for a Steemtag 2014 年 1 月 18 日 下午 5:57 
引用自 ominoussalad
sure, it's not a virus in the traditional definition. ie. it isn't really doing anything malicious per se. however a) it does not uninstall with the game, you have to manually remove it
b) it modifies, in an undesirable way, the way your computer functions (like a shoddy anti-virus program, the irony.)
c) it doesn't work to prevent people from hacking or cheating

so it's an unnecessary, non-optional, PITA program that's not doing the job it's supposed to.

so by that means you'd say Internet explorer is a virus as well? because I cannot uninstall that, it tries very hard to open and force me to use it when I don't want it, and it prevents me from enjoying the internet. it meets all your qualifications.

there are tons of programs that aren't viruses you'll have to work your ass off to uninstall, it's the way they're made. it does not modify how your computer functions, like all programs it needs to be booted, and unless it is it does nothing to your computer, and so far to my knowledge the program boots and closes with the game and ONLY affects anything trying to alter the game's files. Lastly it does it's job like it is supposed to, but seeming it it OUT OF DATE, there have been 10's of hundreds of ways found by now to bypass it via some loophole or breach that hasn't been plugged. it's not that it isn't working, people just found a way around it, then again it's the way of computer security, no way to be ahead of the attackers, just wait until they make their move then see if you counter it, if not see how they did it and plug it
最後修改者:Pretty Swag for a Steemtag; 2014 年 1 月 18 日 下午 6:00
UnkindledThuum 2014 年 1 月 18 日 下午 6:12 
another bit of infomation on NpptNT2.sys (Nprotect runtime that doesn't go away when you uninstall.) http://www.file.net/process/npptnt2.sys.html In my Windows 8 it's in SysWOW64.
最後修改者:UnkindledThuum; 2014 年 1 月 18 日 下午 6:13
Pretty Swag for a Steemtag 2014 年 1 月 18 日 下午 6:30 
引用自 Northandler
another bit of infomation on NpptNT2.sys (Nprotect runtime that doesn't go away when you uninstall.) http://www.file.net/process/npptnt2.sys.html In my Windows 8 it's in SysWOW64.

wonderful, but again.

GIVEN THE NATURE OF A ROOTKIT IT IS CLASSIFIED AS MALWARE. ALL ANTI VIRUSES WILL SHOW A ROOTKIT AS MALWARE.

is the point clear yet? a rootkit is meant to camoflage other programs activities in the case of our hack shield, camo the actual functions preventing the hacking of the game. yet due to the fact that it IS in fact a rootkit it will show up as malware, it cannot be avoided. when it says that malware camos itself as that file it is due to the fact THAT IS WHAT MALWARE DOES. it hides. it waits. it kills your ♥♥♥♥. A ROOTKIT CANNOT DO THAT IN A MILLION YEARS THAT IS NOT WHAT IT DOES. THE ONLY DAMAGE A ROOTKIT WILL DO IS HIDE THE MALICIOUS PROGRAM RUINING YOUR COMPUTER. does any of this make sense?
UnkindledThuum 2014 年 1 月 18 日 下午 6:49 
Dude, you have to go into REGEDIT to get rid of it; it doesn't wash off. It installs without any request permissions. It uses resources on your computer even after the game is gone. And it crashes your programs. Kinda feels like a computer STD. LOL.
A Regular Italian Plumber 2014 年 1 月 18 日 下午 6:52 
引用自 Northandler
Dude, you have to go into REGEDIT to get rid of it; it doesn't wash off. It installs without any request permissions. It uses resources on your computer even after the game is gone. And it crashes your programs. Kinda feels like a computer STD. LOL.


Anytime someone claims a program "crashes programs" I instantly assume they know nothing about computers. Funny I just closed the game and low and behold not a single new program or service is running in the background. Its almost as if you really do know nothing about computers and are just complaining to hear your own voice (or in this case see your own text).
Pretty Swag for a Steemtag 2014 年 1 月 18 日 下午 6:54 
then there is a problem with your computer, I have not had any crashes adn mine doesn't keep the hack shield's process going unless I tried to boot game, and again it is still malware in itself go figure it doesn't uninstall easy, and yeah it installed with permission you downloaded a game with a hacksheild it should have been expected
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