Auto Bolt Rifle needs some adjustment to be useful at all

[Hakapik]

worse general purpose than Standard BR
worse chaff control than Carbines and Heavy BR
Lesser perk points too, the weapon is hardly an option in any possible way.

Change my mind if possible.

[retro wave]

some adjustment? it needs a complete rework to not be the worst primary in the game LOL

it does piss damage despite the high rpm and even with primarily headshots, has piss ammo, has piss accuracy, can only be built to compensate for ammo or accuracy, has basically zero damage increase perks and doesnt even have a damage increase variant with a tiny tree that has mediocre perks primarily, and the only thing it can actually do well is hip fire accuracy

did i also mention the heavy bolt rifle is a direct upgrade by literally every possible metric including hip fire accuracy? but dont worry, the devs gave it the dark angels skin AND THEN ALSO the honored gun skin in the datavault rewards so that makes it totally worth using

[Magus Magi]

Originally posted by retro wave:

some adjustment? it needs a complete rework to not be the worst primary in the game LOL

it does piss damage despite the high rpm and even with primarily headshots, has piss ammo, has piss accuracy, can only be built to compensate for ammo or accuracy, has basically zero damage increase perks and doesnt even have a damage increase variant with a tiny tree that has mediocre perks primarily, and the only thing it can actually do well is hip fire accuracy

did i also mention the heavy bolt rifle is a direct upgrade by literally every possible metric including hip fire accuracy? but dont worry, the devs gave it the dark angels skin AND THEN ALSO the honored gun skin in the datavault rewards so that makes it totally worth using

I agree.

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by retro wave:

but dont worry, the devs gave it the dark angels skin AND THEN ALSO the honored gun skin in the datavault rewards so that makes it totally worth using

Do I hear sarcasm out of your words here?

[retro wave]

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

Originally posted by retro wave:

but dont worry, the devs gave it the dark angels skin AND THEN ALSO the honored gun skin in the datavault rewards so that makes it totally worth using

Do I hear sarcasm out of your words here?

yes. i am livid that the devs gave this absolute trash can TWO whole weapon skins when it is objectively the worst primary in the game.

DA skin? fine ok, whatever; honored skin too? i genuinely facepalmed when i saw that reward

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by retro wave:

yes. i am livid that the devs gave this absolute trash can TWO whole weapon skins when it is objectively the worst primary in the game.

DA skin? fine ok, whatever; honored skin too? i genuinely facepalmed when i saw that reward

But instead of just a turd gun, it can now made into a polished turd gun ;)

Jokes aside, the Auto Bolt is superfluos in the Tacticals arsenal because he has also access to the Bolt Carbine SMG / Marksman, which are better in CQC and close/mid range.
And I have no Idea, how to give it it´s own identity or niche purpose.

[Hakapik]

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

Originally posted by retro wave:

yes. i am livid that the devs gave this absolute trash can TWO whole weapon skins when it is objectively the worst primary in the game.

DA skin? fine ok, whatever; honored skin too? i genuinely facepalmed when i saw that reward

But instead of just a turd gun, it can now made into a polished turd gun ;)

Jokes aside, the Auto Bolt is superfluos in the Tacticals arsenal because he has also access to the Bolt Carbine SMG / Marksman, which are better in CQC and close/mid range.
And I have no Idea, how to give it it´s own identity or niche purpose.

Maybe give it higher stagger/stopping power to compensate.... ah forget it even I dont believe that will help.

[retro wave]

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

But instead of just a turd gun, it can now made into a polished turd gun ;)

Jokes aside, the Auto Bolt is superfluos in the Tacticals arsenal because he has also access to the Bolt Carbine SMG / Marksman, which are better in CQC and close/mid range.
And I have no Idea, how to give it it´s own identity or niche purpose.

it should be the standard bolter but with SLIGHTLY less damage and more rate of fire and ammo, thats literally its purpose in lore

give it actual damage and headshot damage perks, give it a bigger perk tree with the actual accuracy, damage, magazine capacity variants and itll be fine

what itd be then is a more generalist bolt carbine, sure not truly unique, but itd be unique enough and more importantly not total garbage; itd also fit a purpose the heavy bolt rifle cant by pairing actually good damage with high rpm and high hip fire accuracy

but nope, we just got this... thing... instead

[Innoxious]

Originally posted by retro wave:

but dont worry, the devs gave it the dark angels skin AND THEN ALSO the honored gun skin in the datavault rewards so that makes it totally worth using

Literally laughing my ass off. Most accurate depiction one could come up with.

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by retro wave:

it should be the standard bolter but with SLIGHTLY less damage and more rate of fire and ammo, thats literally its purpose in lore

give it actual damage and headshot damage perks, give it a bigger perk tree with the actual accuracy, damage, magazine capacity variants and itll be fine

what itd be then is a more generalist bolt carbine, sure not truly unique, but itd be unique enough and more importantly not total garbage; itd also fit a purpose the heavy bolt rifle cant by pairing actually good damage with high rpm and high hip fire accuracy

but nope, we just got this... thing... instead

Basically a SMG/ Boltrifle hybrid then?
That might work as a sort of "Run and Gun" style weapon.

[Zephyr]

I actually like it, it's a jack of all trades gun that doesn't have the scopes that I find obnoxious to use.

Plus it has the Dark Angel skin as you said, and I really like the Dark Angels.

[cszolee79]

I don't get why would anyone use a bolter when there's plasma.
Ok Stalker is sort of fun with tactical (if I limit myself to shooting majoris heads or floaty thropes) but the rest... meh.

[retro wave]

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

Basically a SMG/ Boltrifle hybrid then?
That might work as a sort of "Run and Gun" style weapon.

yup thats literally what it is in lore, a bolter with an extended magazine meant to put more rounds on target in the same amount of time

the point is indeed run and gun, as it has naturally good hip fire accuracy and wouldnt require aiming as well due to the higher rounds on target in the same time compared to the bolt rifle

Originally posted by Zephyr:

I actually like it, it's a jack of all trades gun that doesn't have the scopes that I find obnoxious to use.

Plus it has the Dark Angel skin as you said, and I really like the Dark Angels.

try using it on ruthless+, how useless it is especially when compared to tactical's other choices (such as the heavy bolt rifle which also doesnt have a scope) becomes apparent

[Sloths]

Originally posted by retro wave:

try using it on ruthless+, how useless it is especially when compared to tactical's other choices (such as the heavy bolt rifle which also doesnt have a scope) becomes apparent

I like the heavy bolt rifle and that's my gun of choice for tactical. Good ammo supply and economy, good damage even at range, good dps, decent perks. All around a good weapon.

I don't think I have used the auto bolt rifle at all other than to level it and from that I don't even remember how it was. Will have to try it out a run or two and see how bad it is compared to the other guns. Refresh my memory on it.

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by retro wave:

Originally posted by Zephyr:

I actually like it, it's a jack of all trades gun that doesn't have the scopes that I find obnoxious to use.

Plus it has the Dark Angel skin as you said, and I really like the Dark Angels.

try using it on ruthless+, how useless it is especially when compared to tactical's other choices (such as the heavy bolt rifle which also doesnt have a scope) becomes apparent

I do, and I still like it.

[Other XIX]

I don't like bolter weapons either. Plasma gun for life. Nothing like lobbing a big blob of blue plasma at an enemies head.