Played it. Reflected on it: I think the game is barely worth 20 bucks.

[Vince]

Finished the game a few days ago -- took me 7 hours -- and even tried some PvE with a friend. I've had enough time to really process it...

...

I think it’s absolute garbage. The campaign is ridiculously short, there’s barely any enemy variety, and the combat feels like something dragged out from the past. The fact that this game is getting rave reviews says more about us as gamers than it does about the game itself. It shows that 1) we’ve turned gaming into a cult where we judge games not by their quality but by whatever meme is trending—like it's the cool thing to love SM2. And 2) our standards have sunk shockingly low.

With regards to combat, reflect on this: We had Batman Arkham Asylum in 2009. That's FIFTEEN YEARS AGO. Let that detonate in your brain for a second.

I thought I bought SM2 for a magnificent SP experience, but it ended up to be all about mediocre PvE.

/rant

[AdAstraWill]

Messaggio originale di I Denizen I:

Messaggio originale di AdAstraWill:

This just sounds like buyers remorse from someone who didn't understand what they purchased when they purchased it instead of it being a problem with the product. The single player experience is great for those who are fans of Warhammer 40k and understand what they are seeing, and know what they are seeing. As you have hidden the games you own/play I am going to assume you are NOT the intended audience.

For someone like me who loves 40k, this game is amazing, I love the operations though they need some buffs for EXP, and the weapons need some buffs. The single player just raw 40k, with a story continuing from the first game, following a bunch of space marines doing their job, working out differences and finding some measure of redemption, the chaplain said it literally after the tutorial mission. Visually its wonderful, they nailed so many of the details that are needed for it to be a 40k game, that will never be noticed by someone like you.

The game has its flaws, but in this instance, its you who are flawed and did not make the right purchase for yourself. Cope and seethe.

What a completely and utterly ridiculous statement.

You bought the wrong game because you don't love it. seriously that is the w tee f moment and being a long time steam user that is truly saying something.

I love 40k, I worked for GW for over 20 years here in the UK starting in the 80's, I have bought and played every single PC game to date that has been released for GW games and content, and I did NOT buy SM 2 because I knew just like the vast majority of games that are made for GW it would be over priced crap, with a ton of over priced DLC content, and I say this as someone who owns Total War Warhammer one, two and three and every single DLC pack for all three games.

No more will I as a consumer reward these companies that rely on the awesomeness of GW lore to sell us over priced tripe, it may have taken me 3 decades but I have finally learned to say no.

Short, as in insulting short PVE campaign : Check
Poorly balanced and SM portrayed as wearing stiff tissue paper, being slow and generally getting owned by anything that looks at them funny, unless you roll around like a jester on the floor : Check.
Badly implemented and shallow PVP : Check.

And it's the OP who is flawed? you need to stop drinking the koolaid and wake up.

What a petulant and unhinged response.

First of all, would you provide receipts to your claim of working at GW? Second, I am not even sure why that even matters considering it has NOTHING to do with what was said at all and simply the fact to even mention it if true is just you trying to use it as a crutch for your own poor choices and argument by trying to give yourself some authority on the matter through it.

Secondly, erm .... yes? IF YOU MAKE A PURCHASE AND YOU DONT LIKE IT, THEN ITS YOUR FAULT FOR MAKING THE PURCHASE. What? did they just mind control you?, to make the purchase from your debit card or something? No. You made the choice. You had every opportunity to check first, to see if its something you will enjoy but you did it anyway. Again, the game has room for improvement but good lord, the seething depths some of you will go to, to trash the game instead of simply moving on and letting others enjoy it is astounding.

"You bought the wrong game because you don't love it" - Exactly how is this illogical? If you don't like what you bought, then you bought something you don't like and their for a bad purchase for yourself. On top of trying to stick waggle, you're also trying to avoid taking responsibility for your own purchase. Give me a break.

"No more will I as a consumer reward these companies that rely on the awesomeness of GW lore to sell us over priced tripe, it may have taken me 3 decades but I have finally learned to say no." Yeah until your next purchase, cya next time bud. Your words are worthless because your entire principal is to speak with your wallet and you didn't even do that.

[Quasinerdo]

Agreed. It's getting a massive free pass in reviews because "40k".

I think many were anticipating and being marketed a serious 40k Space Marine tactical shooter with modern graphics, smart AI and deep storytelling. A shooter experience with gravitas and the heft of a superhuman soldier in power armour.

Instead it's an arcade flashback from console days that has beautiful graphics and artwork with some good story and voicing that seem to lead to an excessive 'cope' mindset by many.

I'll still play and enjoy it, but I won't confuse it with a game that warrants substantial accolades for its actual gameplay.

[RelicXXVII]

Literally all we wanted was a game faithful to the first, reminiscent of the era of good games without all this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tiktok generation garbage and we got it.

[I Denizen I]

Messaggio originale di AdAstraWill:

Snipped for brevity

Are you implying the OP bought the game randomly? Or is it entirely possible that the OP just like everyone else looked at what they bought, before they bought it.

From what the OP said, their enjoyment was ruined by design choices made by the developers, or the lack of content created. You are aware that people can like something and be unhappy due to choices made by the creators, and that does not mean they bought the wrong game, what an apologist you are.

And man I started working for GW in the 80's when I was 17, I am in my mid 50's now, just what exactly do you imagine I have from the day of paper pay slips still around 30+ years later, after living in several countries on the off chance someone random guy on the internet would demand I prove it, even if I did have a wage slip from back then, do you know how much of a pita it is to upload anything to steam that is not from a game on steam?

And the only reason I actually mentioned working for them, was to highlight I am and have been a fan of all things GW for most of my entire life, why that needs proving I have no idea.

If you have actually played any of the older catalogue of GW licensed games, the vast majority of them are either bad games, over priced games, or both, there have been very very few great games worth the asking price for them, and anyone who is unbiased would agree, it is a standing joke in the GW community and a very very large part of that is GW's own intransigence on the game creation side, they have since the 2000's had a perpetual fear that any online games would kill their business stone dead, it is why they are so restrictive with games, with content, with allowance of modding tools etc etc, they do not want anything that will threaten the model selling side of their empire, again something that is common knowledge.

And speak with my wallet? I did speak with my wallet, I did not buy SpaceMarine Two, are you deranged? how is that not speaking with my wallet.

TWWH is a fantastic game series and well worth every penny I have spent on it, I have well over 1k hours across all 3 versions.

Petulant for calling you out for making the most ridiculous statement I have ever seen on a steam forum? sure why not.

[MrSoul]

Messaggio originale di Xarko:

Why is bro talking about Batman?

Cos Batman’s cool bro

[L!z4rD]

Messaggio originale di randir14:

The game is good but its lacking the power fantasy. We shouldn't be doing some stupid ballet flow to stay alive. Bolters should be exploding most enemies in a couple shots, instead they feel like we're shooting airsoft.

At least the minors.

[Fryskar]

Messaggio originale di Medicles:

I just looked up Wukong. For 100% it has an approximate playtime of like 63 hours. I am already over that in SM 2 and i havent unlocked everything at all. Yet Wukong is praised? For what? It doesnt innovate, it just looks good and maybe has a good story but if you play games to experience a story then i cant trust your opinions on games in general.

Honestly i don't consider "having everything unlocked" matters if its just the same things you used before with minor upgrades.
The other points are fit SM2 pretty well.
That beeing said idc about wukong at all.

[rad.dreamer3kx]

Wasnt their goal to make it like something "dragged out the past"?

[EvoEpitaph]

A movie is what, like 20 bucks these days and 2 hours long? I picked the game up for $50 so 7 hours would already be beyond parity in terms of value.

You may need to drop your expectations a bit, or be better about assessing a game within the refund window.

[elise308]

Messaggio originale di Menlow:

I think the game just has weird balancing, they tried to make it "challenging" but the challenge comes from spongy enemies and overtuned damage numbers. Especially from low tier enemies.

I read somewhere that "space marines can just tank lasgun fire all day long" well in this game they cant, enemy lasguns hit as hard as bolters do.
Zero cover while clearly expecting you to take cover honestly the only way you can enjoy pve content as of now on anything higher than Normal is by having either a dual melta or melta rifle. All other Rifles even Heavy Las Sniper Rifles underperform. I think i have to shoot a space marine / nid warrior 3 or 4 times into the head before being able to execute them a 5th to kill them... which is insane given that this weapons has barely 20 to 25 shots depening on build and level.

Like honestly if they fine tune the damage numbers a bit its a decent brainless game to grind a bit until you get tired of it but i kinda agree that the mechanics are way too shallow and not that well designed once you have to really rely on them

It's pretty obvious they tried to take some of the "push forward combat" of the modern DOOM games, but without understanding the phioloshphy behind it. They really should have taken a bigger not from the Gears of War series in regards to taking cover. They for sure could have done more with the combat.

[Naamtar]

Admitting to thinking garbage is worth $20 is what I got from the original post.

[Rhyno]

I think it's worth more than $20, but to your other points, you're not wrong.

[lvan]

Halo 2's campaign takes 9 hours to beat, Halo 3 takes 8 hours, Halo 3 ODST takes 6

All these games were fine being 60 bucks back in the day and got lauded as masterpiece FPS games too.

Space Marine 2 takes 9 and a half and its somehow overpriced garbage because its "too short"?

you're a funny guy.

[RobeRonin]

Messaggio originale di Vince:

Finished the game a few days ago -- took me 7 hours -- and even tried some PvE with a friend. I've had enough time to really process it...

...

I think it’s absolute garbage. The campaign is ridiculously short, there’s barely any enemy variety, and the combat feels like something dragged out from the past. The fact that this game is getting rave reviews says more about us as gamers than it does about the game itself. It shows that 1) we’ve turned gaming into a cult where we judge games not by their quality but by whatever meme is trending—like it's the cool thing to love SM2. And 2) our standards have sunk shockingly low.

With regards to combat, reflect on this: We had Batman Arkham Asylum in 2009. That's FIFTEEN YEARS AGO. Let that detonate in your brain for a second.

I thought I bought SM2 for a magnificent SP experience, but it ended up to be all about mediocre PvE.

/rant

i am a very picky old grumpy gamer and i am strangely satisfied with the game tbh i am not a fan of the dev team multiple games they have made sucked ballz evil dead being the last one that tilted me ! and i was prepared for this to be hot garbage !

I do think it is content light ! however i think what is here is really good i think it miss`s the mark on many lore accurate things nad all that but thats to be expected of a shooter adapting the material ! i also think its a great entry point for new comers to 40 k
after finishing the campaign i did not think it was too short i think it was done really well telling a compelling story with nice game play and just as it wrapped up i was getting over listening to spake marines go brother blah blah blah brother lol so again it felt good to wrap up then! i felt like enemy variety was good and many nids and chaos where on offer to slay !

the co op operations i found massively lacking from a tiny perk tree with very strange progression and only 5 mission this is horrible ! i find the amount of armour customisation amazing and done really really well!

i have not tried PvP don't trust this dev team to do PvP well and i think its a tacked on gimmick because space marine 1 had it!

so while i agree on many things needing more i would not call the game garbage as many aspects are simply great combat its self for 3 player combat is smooth and fun as hell i have played with 2 people from completely different parts of the world and had a pretty smooth experience !

compared to other modern titles the game is worth 80 bucks and i would happily pay 30 bucks for more mission packs for operations to support the title and have more to play!

[Naamtar]

Messaggio originale di lvan:

Halo 2's campaign takes 9 hours to beat, Halo 3 takes 8 hours, Halo 3 ODST takes 6

All these games were fine being 60 bucks back in the day and got lauded as masterpiece FPS games too.

Space Marine 2 takes 9 and a half and its somehow overpriced garbage because its "too short"?

you're a funny guy.

Halo 2 and Halo 3's story telling aren't even in the same world as this game, and their PvP isn't even in the same universe.

Poor comparison.