Female Space Marines - Why do people keep asking?

[Oni]

I've seen a lot of posts about people trying to bait others into getting angry over the game not having female space marines, is there a lore reason as to why there isn't female space marines? I'd guess it'd be something to do with the testing the space marines go through?

[astgdzfgdsg]

Originally posted by Nephalim Glory:

I think the reason this keeps coming up is that Marines are by FAR the biggest faction gameplay-wise. Basically every other tabletop release is some form of Marines, same with the video games (Mechanicus is the only one I can think of that has no Marines of any kind). They get the biggest billing in lore and promotions, they have the biggest fanbase on and off the tabletop (with a significant number of people who DON'T like Marines are hipsters who hate them just because they're popular). To a large extent, the Marines ARE 40k.

Therefore, for anyone outside looking in, Marines being all-male is an "obvious omission", whether they genuinely think female Marines would sell well / fit the setting, are "woke" netizens looking for an easy basket on the "Catholic space fascists", or "anti-woke" netizens being baited into a frothing rage by trolls.

It's like some kind of annoying catch-22. Males are by FAR the biggest audience for 40k. Males like space marines. GW cater to their biggest audience bloc by spamming Space Marine stuff because that makes money.

It's not the fault of that audience bloc that GW does that or that they are the largest audience bloc who spend the most money on 40k.

Because that audience bloc unknowingly caused space marines to be such a big part of 40k they now get people being insufferable and yelling and bellowing at them about changing the thing they like.


Maybe Space Marine 2 will be a turning point for the better. It has cemented expectations of what a space marine is more so than ever.

[Oku]

Originally posted by Mints:

Originally posted by Oku:

And yet it's still a Sisters of Battle army and they are still Sisters of Battle units that obey the Sisters of Battle factions rules and operate out of the Sisters of Battle Codex.

And no, actually, if you care so much about the written lore for the hobby that was specifically set up to allow people to come up with whatever lore THEY want for THEIR armies with the preface of all lore for the setting of "everything is true, and nothing is true", that you sit there to argue about why something that exists in the rules and is literally done by people playing the game that it's not real and doesn't work, then YOU don't belong in the hobby.

Post minis.

Funny, you're the one that accused people of being "inconsolably angry anti-woke culture warriors" and yet here you are trying to twist the rules and existing standards of the game and the lore to your own ends while you type up walls of text, plainly with an ulterior motive. It's almost like every single accusation you make is projection. :WH3_greasus_rofl:

I'm not twisting anything.

It is an objective and irrefutable fact that you can, and people do, front Sisters of Battle armies in the tabletop without any women in them because the Sisters of Battles units that are not women are good enough to stand on their own and can pull shenanigans that people don't expect from a Sororitas army.

Post minis.

[Mints]

Originally posted by Oku:

Originally posted by Mints:

Funny, you're the one that accused people of being "inconsolably angry anti-woke culture warriors" and yet here you are trying to twist the rules and existing standards of the game and the lore to your own ends while you type up walls of text, plainly with an ulterior motive. It's almost like every single accusation you make is projection.

I'm not twisting anything.

It is an objective and irrefutable fact that you can, and people do, front Sisters of Battle armies in the tabletop without any women in them because the Sisters of Battles units that are not women are good enough to stand on their own and can pull shenanigans that people don't expect from a Sororitas army.

Post minis.

It is an objective and irrefutable fact that none of the men in a Sisters of Battle army are Sisters of Battle, so you are a liar.

[Aegmar]

In 40k there are no female Space Marines (there are the Sisters of Battle tho who are kinda a religious-zealot female version of space marines on the tabletop) and no one really wants female space marines, ppl making such posts just want to troll and are probably just Incels who need to be constantly angry about something to distract themselfes from their own frustrations i guess.

[Duke Nukem]

This is an irrelevant question, but who and when did the demand for Female Space rise first? Seriously, I wanna know who has this "smart" idea at first and decided to keep yelling.

Isn't female Custodes not enough for a female audience?

[Mints]

Originally posted by Duke Nukem:

This is an irrelevant question, but who and when did the demand for Female Space rise first? Seriously, I wanna know who has this "smart" idea at first and decided to keep yelling.

Isn't female Custodes not enough for a female audience?

The moment Stacy decided tabletop wargames weren't for filthy nerds anymore and she absolutely -needs- to be represented or else.

[Oku]

Originally posted by Mints:

Originally posted by Oku:

I'm not twisting anything.

It is an objective and irrefutable fact that you can, and people do, front Sisters of Battle armies in the tabletop without any women in them because the Sisters of Battles units that are not women are good enough to stand on their own and can pull shenanigans that people don't expect from a Sororitas army.

Post minis.

It is an objective and irrefutable fact that none of the men in a Sisters of Battle army are Sisters of Battle, so you are a liar.

Adepta Sororitas Unit, not a woman: https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/adepta-sororitas-ministorum-priest-2024?queryID=29409aba76fac8bd3917b43cf82e6ac2

Adepta Sororitas Unit, not a woman: https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/Adepta-Sororitas-Mortifier-2020?queryID=29409aba76fac8bd3917b43cf82e6ac2

Adepta Sororitas Unit, not a woman: https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/Adepta-Sororitas-Penitent-Engines-2020?queryID=29409aba76fac8bd3917b43cf82e6ac2

Adepta Sororitas Unit, can field non-women versions only: https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/Adepta-Sororitas-Arco-Flagellants-2020?queryID=29409aba76fac8bd3917b43cf82e6ac2

Adepta Sororitas Unit, not a woman: https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/adepta-sororitas-ministorum-priest-with-vindicator-2024?queryID=29409aba76fac8bd3917b43cf82e6ac2

Adepta Sororitas Unit, This Is a Tank: https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/Adepta-Sororitas-Immolator-2020?queryID=29409aba76fac8bd3917b43cf82e6ac2

I could go on.

All of these units are under the explicit purview of the Sisters of Battle Codex. They are, rules as written, Sisters of Battle units. You make an army out of these and other units, you are, objectively, fielding a Sisters of Battle army and operate under the rules for that army.

You are trying to inject lore in to tabletop rules where lore has no bearing, because you don't actually care about the hobby, you care about using the Lore as a staging ground for an annoying culture war nobody here asked for.

"None of them are sisters of battle!!!" you will say.

The rules say otherwise.

Now post minis.

[Duke Nukem]

Originally posted by Mints:

Originally posted by Duke Nukem:

This is an irrelevant question, but who and when did the demand for Female Space rise first? Seriously, I wanna know who has this "smart" idea at first and decided to keep yelling.

Isn't female Custodes not enough for a female audience?

The moment Stacy decided tabletop wargames weren't for filthy nerds anymore and she absolutely -needs- to be represented or else.

Things are getting more and more depressing. How far do we from actual Female Space Marines?

Also, any woman here? Are you satisfied with your victory of Female Custodes? Do you think Female Space Marine is necessary?

[Mints]

Originally posted by Oku:

"None of them are sisters of battle!!!" you will say.

The rules say otherwise.

No, they aren't, and you are a liar. I will not gratify you by responding to you as anything else. Ecclesiarchy goons are not Sisters of Battle. That is a fact and you can't lie your way out of it.

[Walt von Keisel-Walther]

I want to just also point out that the organs needed to create space marines also have the real world issue of them being rejected by the bodies of even close candidates who may fit them, so the real reason female space marines can't exist comes down to how transplants work. Requiring the host to be a very specific type of individual to place the organs with that has as close as a match as possible, for instance females need female transplant organs and vice versa with men, all of the Primarch's are men and thus would just be incompatible with women. This is more or less the best way to scientifically explain why, and its not really due to sexism anymore.

[Stickson]

Female Space Marines can't exist. This has been true since the 2nd edition rulebook of Warhammer 40k. Undergoing the process to becoming an astartes is an extremely radical change, even males often die when becoming an astartes. The Emperor simply didn't make them with female Space Marines in mind.
However, this is only the strict cases of Space Marines in the Imperium. Fabius Bile has successfully modified and implanted geneseed into a female and made a female astartes.
Fabius Bile is possible the smartest person in the 40k universe when it comes to bio-engineering, next to Rakarth the most powerful of the Dark Eldar haemonculi.
In the first book of the Bile trilogy, "Fabius Bile: Primogenitor", Bile managed to heavily modify geneseed and successfully plant it into a human female. Turning her into a mutant female Astartes.
Her name is "Igori of the Gland Hounds" and is prominent for a portion if Biles first book as well as being in a bit of the second in the trilogy.

There is also evidence of female Primarchs being possible. Malcador suggested it as the original idea in the book Scars, so it is possible that they could exist under different circumstances. I doubt that the 2 missing primarchs are female, and I can be somewhat certain that one of them isn't. One of them must be male due to their legion that descends from their geneseed being absorbed into the legion of the Ultramarines and the Imperial Fists. And no Space Marines of either chapter have ever been female. Thus their Primarch must be male due to the rules of how geneseeds and gene editing work in the 40k universe.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Mints:

Originally posted by Oku:

"None of them are sisters of battle!!!" you will say.

The rules say otherwise.

No, they aren't, and you are a liar. I will not gratify you by responding to you as anything else. Ecclesiarchy goons are not Sisters of Battle. That is a fact and you can't lie your way out of it.

I mean, the ones they posted are Sisters units. Like, outright. Have been since launch.

[Walt von Keisel-Walther]

Originally posted by Stickson:

Female Space Marines can't exist. This has been true since the 2nd edition rulebook of Warhammer 40k. Undergoing the process to becoming an astartes is an extremely radical change, even males often die when becoming an astartes. The Emperor simply didn't make them with female Space Marines in mind.
However, this is only the strict cases of Space Marines in the Imperium. Fabius Bile has successfully modified and implanted geneseed into a female and made a female astartes.
Fabius Bile is possible the smartest person in the 40k universe when it comes to bio-engineering, next to Rakarth the most powerful of the Dark Eldar haemonculi.
In the first book of the Bile trilogy, "Fabius Bile: Primogenitor", Bile managed to heavily modify geneseed and successfully plant it into a human female. Turning her into a mutant female Astartes.
Her name is "Igori of the Gland Hounds" and is prominent for a portion if Biles first book as well as being in a bit of the second in the trilogy.

There is also evidence of female Primarchs being possible. Malcador suggested it as the original idea in the book Scars, so it is possible that they could exist under different circumstances. I doubt that the 2 missing primarchs are female, and I can be somewhat certain that one of them isn't. One of them must be male due to their legion that descends from their geneseed being absorbed into the legion of the Ultramarines and the Imperial Fists. And no Space Marines of either chapter have ever been female. Thus their Primarch must be male due to the rules of how geneseeds and gene editing work in the 40k universe.

Doesn't he also use a bit of sorcery to make these modifications or is it all just technologically done?

[Mints]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Originally posted by Mints:

No, they aren't, and you are a liar. I will not gratify you by responding to you as anything else. Ecclesiarchy goons are not Sisters of Battle. That is a fact and you can't lie your way out of it.

I mean, the ones they posted are Sisters units. Like, outright. Have been since launch.

And yet they are not Sisters of Battle. Rhetorical games are a fallacy.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Duke Nukem:

Originally posted by Mints:

The moment Stacy decided tabletop wargames weren't for filthy nerds anymore and she absolutely -needs- to be represented or else.

Things are getting more and more depressing. How far do we from actual Female Space Marines?

Also, any woman here? Are you satisfied with your victory of Female Custodes? Do you think Female Space Marine is necessary?

As a woman, I'm pretty happy. I wouldn't call it a victory though as I never really emailed GW or made petitions to have it happen. Now if only they were true scale (again. Damn size creep)

For gals in the Astartes, it ain't necessary. Just think it's neat. And I'm so glad my box of squats has extra gal heads, looks like they'll make a good fit