Play as chaos = Punishment

[Tejón]

I don’t usually write here, but this game is really starting to frustrate me. Of course, I could list a lot of things that I believe could be improved or changed in the gameplay, but what really drives me crazy is the lack of customization and the so-called "faction balance" in this game.

I can’t understand why, in the name of the God Emperor, you decided not to include any armor customization for the Chaos faction. It makes no sense to release the game without it. You already have the options and the menu (which, by the way, is awful), but you chose not to include customization from the start. This is not only frustrating but also a terrible financial decision (you could have added more items for DLC or in the battle pass, for example).

What’s the point of playing, grinding, and unlocking customizations if you can easily get stuck playing as Chaos for 18 games in a row? (This has happened to me.) It’s not just bad luck—there’s an issue with the system. If you join a server and end up on the Chaos team, you’ll stay with that faction indefinitely. It never swaps (or at least, it never has for me).

I love playing as a loyalist since it’s the faction I play in the tabletop game (Black Templars), but now I’m forced to "suffer" through playing as Chaos. At least give us some customization options. The default Chaos models are terrible, and the few customization options that do exist are barely visible or noticeable (all Bullwarks look exactly the same...).

Please, just add the damn customization options. You could also implement a system to select a "preferred" faction or at least a system that forces a faction swap between matches. As it stands, the only option is to leave the queue, hope for better luck in the next game, and pray to get on the loyalist side. With the current server instability and intermittent disconnections, doing this can mean a 5-10 minute wait between games—it's a real risk.

P.S. Don’t even get me started on the fact that my Black Templars are basically just a reskin of an Ultramarine... I hate seeing my Black Templars mention Macragge or fly the banner of the Ultra Smurfs. Thanks for reading this far. I just had to get this off my chest.

[SSSIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNDDWWRRYYYYY]

SM1 had a different mechanical problem when it came to cosmetics, but in the end it's the same result.
In SM1 you had to grind cosmetic unlocks through challenges that tough you how to play the game and encouraged you to get better. The idea is good.
Problem is, if you wanted to unlock cosmetics for a faction you had to play said faction.
Of course there was more loyalist fans than chaos fans and people were really frustrated that they play half of their time in PvP in the chaos team, meaning they'll waste half of their time not being able to unlock loyalist cosmetics.

In SM2 it's different. You unlock cosmetics by winning games, and winning games only. That means people often leave a battle if they see their team has more rookies than the enemy team or if their team is about to lose, considering it a waste of time.
Also in SM2 lobbies the game does NOT swap sides after each round, meaning until you leave a lobby, you'll stay in the same faction. I can confirm this after the 18 runs I've done in the same lobby as chaos and my previous observations on many lobbies.
On top of that you only unlock cosmetics for loyalists since chaos don't have any (which is TURBO ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, DO YOU DEVS / PUBLISHERS / WHOEVER THE ♥♥♥♥ DECIDED TO RELEASE THE GAME IN THAT STATE HAVE ANY BIT OF COMMON SENSE??). A great shame since loyalists in SM2 are primaris, which are boring as hell, and chaos are first borns, which makes them automatically superior in every possible way. And of course they're chaos marines so they are, in my perfectly objective opinion that isn't biased in any fashionable way, much cooler than loyalists.

Same issue in Chivalry 2 with the Tenosian faction. They don't have any cosmetics so people VERY often leave when they see trying to swap side doesn't work.

That leads to people once again getting upset when they play chaos instead of loyalists. The eternal Space Marine problem.

WE DON'T WANT TO PLAY WHAT WE CAN'T CUSTOMIZE.

[Fauxsteel]

I actually enjoy playing as Chaos and am seldom bothered by the inability to customize them.
I think it would be neat if they added monogod faction variations of the classes we could select. Although, that would require more voice acting if we didn't want to get upset about lore-breaking voice lines.

I know this is probably an unpopular opinion.

[GreenxDragon1]

Definitely wish Chaos would've been released with customization. It would also be cool if you could change the voice of your class/character so you can have a night lords heavy or a world eater assault. I'd love to see the chaos cosmetics be added to pve too.

[Blanc]

After seeing the Thousand sun in the campaign it makes me wonder why there isn't more Chaos cosmetics than just simple color swaps.

[SynZ77]

Originally posted by Tejón:

I can’t understand why, in the name of the God Emperor, you decided not to include any armor customization for the Chaos faction.

The answer is probably future DLC or Season Battle Pass.

[ToxicMushroom]

Originally posted by Blanc:

After seeing the Thousand sun in the campaign it makes me wonder why there isn't more Chaos cosmetics than just simple color swaps.

yeah that to ,-

and also, you can play as chaos in pvp .. but not pve .. wtf -
that better be a plan , down the line to add it .-

flip it - perspective , script and story -
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i would rather love playing that ,, grind it with bots ..,- then what we have now ..- dosen mean its bad.. or i dont have fun .. i do -
but i always chose the "evil" side in my games.. so
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just .. the focus on the main thing i get that , and the game is still fresh out

but ..down the line - , build the other side to " chaos ." .. maybe down the line , other faction , for what ever reason " and yeah . sounds good to me . and to others it seams

[G O R K]

Sacrificing player agency and customization is what happens when developers treat a game like a movie and not a game, putting you on a railroad as to what you CAN do or HAVE because of "Muh Lore". (Loyal chapters fight smaller battles all the time between each other.)

Chaos should've been an end-tier unlock-able skin or champion's pack for classes in PVP and PvE. Nobody gave a d*mn in Halo 2 so why would we care now? Instead we have situations like this. Nobody, and I mean nobody cares about character lore for their custom marine, because they want it to be THEIR marine. Not a random jobber that gets a fancy coat of paint and is treated like an ultramarine no matter what. (Literally wearing Minotaur/Black-Legion colors and heraldry.)

[Tejón]

Originally posted by SynZ77:

Originally posted by Tejón:

I can’t understand why, in the name of the God Emperor, you decided not to include any armor customization for the Chaos faction.

The answer is probably future DLC or Season Battle Pass.

I hope for that but is not even mention on the roadmap at the moment

Originally posted by SSSIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNDDWWRRYYYYY:

Also in SM2 lobbies the game does NOT swap sides after each round, meaning until you leave a lobby, you'll stay in the same faction. I can confirm this after the 18 runs I've done in the same lobby as chaos and my previous observations on many lobbies.

On top of that you only unlock cosmetics for loyalists since chaos don't have any (which is TURBO ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, DO YOU DEVS / PUBLISHERS / WHOEVER THE ♥♥♥♥ DECIDED TO RELEASE THE GAME IN THAT STATE HAVE ANY BIT OF COMMON SENSE??).

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WE DON'T WANT TO PLAY WHAT WE CAN'T CUSTOMIZE.

Well at least im not the one that get like 18 or even 24 games in a row as chaos marine...and as you mention, the only way to "swap" is leaving the actual queue and with all the issues the servers, you risk to get a DC and get forced to re-launch or go to the main menu...

And yes... not include this in the game from the start is even a stupid financial decision

Originally posted by G O R K:

Sacrificing player agency and customization is what happens when developers treat a game like a movie and not a game, putting you on a railroad as to what you CAN do or HAVE because of "Muh Lore".

Kinda agree, but also kinda sad since this game was already delayed like 1 year and see something that "obvious" not included is frustating as hell.


Glad to read you guys

[NorscanWarlord]

I'm jelous, i always play as the Astartes, i want to play chaos only, but i never get to play as them, it's annoying