Don't play the game until they add female Space Girls

[mike_28]

Before you lose it and call me "woke" listen up. There are people who have been discriminated for centuries, and we're finally at a point where we can start to make things right. How can you sit there and play a game made by devs who are openly sexist, while also refusing to add even a shred of diversity? What's the big deal with having a single marine who's intersex, lgbtq or female (they did it for custodes) in the game? Just one!

They could be on screen for five seconds, and it wouldn't hurt you at all. But it would mean the world to someone who finally sees themselves represented. And who’s really the snowflake if that idea gets under your skin? They don't even need to be the main character! It blows my mind that anyone would back a game that's deliberately pandering to right-wing values. Do you even know what you're supporting, or did some World of Warcraft YouTuber just tell you to buy it?

By playing this game, you're choosing to marginalize people who deserve better. That's the point. I get that some will read this and say they don’t care, but maybe, just maybe, try putting yourself in someone else’s shoes for once. All it takes is a little empathy. You don’t have to agree with them, but recognize that representation helps people feel less alone. It's sad that you're actively standing against that.

[Ryan Gosling]

hey guys, let stop this heresy and kill some xenos scum

[Griffael]

This is a game about space warriors fighting aliens and heretics who worship chaos. Why does it matter so much to focus on gender and sexuality in this context? Do people demand changes to shows like Totally Spies to add LGBTQ+ characters to the main trio, or suggest turning Kim Possible into a man, Elsa from Frozen into a transgender African character, or Mulan into a South American bisexual man? Why do we feel the need to alter existing characters or settings in this game just to represent different groups? It doesn’t seem fair or necessary to me.
There are women present in this game, just not the way YOU want. so dont buy it and go play something that fits your criteria !

[The_Dipl0mat]

Publicado originalmente por wojciechk50:

Publicado originalmente por Grey Mauser:

I will be frank I did not actually look into it, didn't have the time for it. I just heard that they got retconned from some people and laughed because, well, I don't know to describe it exactly but it is to me quite funny to imagine that an addition to the lore was made, caused all this drama, then got retconned back into non-existence a short while after.

Yeah, it seems GW did retcon that, there is a video about it on YT where a guy proves this by quoting lines from Custodes codex where the only pronouns describing them are; he and him.

Yeah I saw a few more lines of that when I did my research. Tbh, I'm not quite sure if it's a full retcon simply due to two reasons. One being that GW books can be very contradictory, and this is possibly due to how they're made. Perhaps this section of the book was already produced before the change and it was an oversight. The other being that due to how blatant the announcement was, I'd figure they'd make it well. Blatant they're retconning a retcon. So in my book I'd consider it ambiguous. Three sources that say yes and are relatively recent. But one that says no and is more recent

EDIT: According to the author, Gav Thorpe. Women in the Custodes are still canon
https://fandompulse.substack.com/p/warhammer-40000-the-ultimate-guide?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

For those who don't want to click a link, the following quote was posted on Bluesky

Publicado originalmente por Gav Thorpe:

Yes, of course they are. Not every miniature is included and I don’t recall exactly but we may have already finished that section when the series / miniature went public (DK didn’t have access to pre-release pics).

EDIT 2: Slipped my brain, figured I should post the question that Gav Thorpe responded to about it as well

Publicado originalmente por HoodGuard:

@Blueskyaccount @Blueskyaccount just confirming because of all the ruckus with the DK book, female Custodes are still a part of Warhammer, correct?

EDIT 3: Also, my fault here. Made the assumption it was a book officially made by Black Library, it was a third party book produced by DK. In essence, being a fan work that was licensed. This unfortunately appears as a case of people getting too excited over what amounts to nothing (at least in their favor in this particular measure). Though it is nice we got a lovingly made guide by someone formerly associated with Games Workshop!

[Real_]

his thread is just another sad proxy conflict about woke hammer vs chud hammer politics that only is only meant to drag people into it.
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don't want to see people destroying my game for a political agenda.

[Oro]

Publicado originalmente por Real_:

his thread is just another sad proxy conflict about woke hammer vs chud hammer politics that only is only meant to drag people into it.
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don't want to see people destroying my game for a political agenda.

You sure post ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ a lot about threads you don't like.

Did you know you can just not click them?

[SnuffSaid]

Publicado originalmente por The_Dipl0mat:

Publicado originalmente por SnuffSaid:

"A specific box gave me enough spare heads to make my squad female, that makes all men and women in this galaxy physically equal in strength and skill". - The logic I'm dealing with.

Either provide a lore quote saying this ridiculous nonsense about men and women becoming baseline equal, or give it a rest. The absurd non-sequitor box argument has run it's course, put up or shut up with some actual lore. If you can't provide any, then we will do what we always do, which is defer to reality and the status quo, which is that men are better.

No, my assessment is that the word "augment" is meaningless, particularly when only men are strong enough to survive being augmented. That argument of yours defeats itself. Women can't be augmented like that because they are too weak, lol.

Now that's enough exposing myself to mental illness for one day, might pop in to check your inevitably vacuous and repetitive response tomorrow.

A specific box meant to build the baseline battle unit for the army should signify the average strength of men or women. If there were meant to be a disparity, they'd have more heads of a specific gender than another.

I also see you need a specific video to give me quotes regarding the recent Custodes book, rather than being able to properly state your position in that manner. Unfortunate

As I said, the flimsy box argument long ran it's course, it's literally the equivalent of saying "this video game let me choose between a man and a woman, that means men and women are equal in strength in this universe". Colossal leaps in logic are being made based on nothing more than wishful thinking. It's a God of the gaps fallacy, except you've filled all the gaps in with your ideology, where normal people fill it in with reality.

Once again, if you can't find a lore quote stating men and women have evolved to equal strength, then we defer to reality. There is plenty of REAL evidence men are stronger, not least of all that all the strongest human characters in the setting are male, if you choose to ignore that because of arbitrary cope about "augments", you'd need to provide actual lore evidence women are equal, otherwise yet again, we default to biological reality.

That last paragraph about the Custodes is just incoherent babble. I linked you to a guy who owns that specific book, I don't own it and couldn't find a digital copy to cut and paste from. Only a total maniac such as yourself could get pedantic about the medium the evidence was presented in, while presenting zero evidence of your own.

And of course you're still coping about them deleting femcodes. "Maybe it's just inconsistent, we can't really have lost another culture war battle can we? I thought we were winning? Let's just double-down on our denial, that worked for the election!"

Absurd.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Publicado originalmente por SnuffSaid:

Publicado originalmente por The_Dipl0mat:

A specific box meant to build the baseline battle unit for the army should signify the average strength of men or women. If there were meant to be a disparity, they'd have more heads of a specific gender than another.

I also see you need a specific video to give me quotes regarding the recent Custodes book, rather than being able to properly state your position in that manner. Unfortunate

As I said, the flimsy box argument long ran it's course, it's literally the equivalent of saying "this video game let me choose between a man and a woman, that means men and women are equal in strength in this universe". Colossal leaps in logic are being made based on nothing more than wishful thinking. It's a God of the gaps fallacy, except you've filled all the gaps in with your ideology, where normal people fill it in with reality.

Once again, if you can't find a lore quote stating men and women have evolved to equal strength, then we defer to reality. There is plenty of REAL evidence men are stronger, not least of all that all the strongest human characters in the setting are male, if you choose to ignore that because of arbitrary cope about "augments", you'd need to provide actual lore evidence women are equal, otherwise yet again, we default to biological reality.

That last paragraph about the Custodes is just incoherent babble. I linked you to a guy who owns that specific book, I don't own it and couldn't find a digital copy to cut and paste from. Only a total maniac such as yourself could get pedantic about the medium the evidence was presented in, while presenting zero evidence of your own.

And of course you're still coping about them deleting femcodes. "Maybe it's just inconsistent, we can't really have lost another culture war battle can we? I thought we were winning? Let's just double-down on our denial, that worked for the election!"

Absurd.

So then we are to not take what is presented in tabletop game and in lore as fact? Let's go further, and look within Space Marine 2. There's a pretty decent mix of men and women present in combat roles, fulfilling the same duties as eachother. We see they all fight equally well, and perform well. Not to mention that again, if GW wanted to show a disparity between men and women, they could just as easily just make it so there's only say. 1-5 heads for women in the Cadian Shock Troops box. The box that builds up the Imperial Guard army specifically, and is an essential "must get" of the faction. Unless you're going down a specialized route.

I am sad to say that I unfortunately do not tend to try to apply real world logic frequently to a fictional setting where real logic crumbles like dust. And instead apply logic based upon what is seen, and what can be inferred.

I also see you haven't been up to date, and have not seen that women in the Custodes are confirmed as still being canon by the author, Gav Thrope. Which funnily enough, I got ahead of myself and assumed the book was produced by Black Library. When instead it was a 3rd party book licensed by GW. If you'd like, I'd recommend looking at post #1181 which goes into further detail. Though I suppose going down a rational route would be seen as "doubling down on denial". I also question why you seem to be dragging politics into a discussion regarding Warhammer.

[SnuffSaid]

Publicado originalmente por The_Dipl0mat:

Publicado originalmente por SnuffSaid:

As I said, the flimsy box argument long ran it's course, it's literally the equivalent of saying "this video game let me choose between a man and a woman, that means men and women are equal in strength in this universe". Colossal leaps in logic are being made based on nothing more than wishful thinking. It's a God of the gaps fallacy, except you've filled all the gaps in with your ideology, where normal people fill it in with reality.

Once again, if you can't find a lore quote stating men and women have evolved to equal strength, then we defer to reality. There is plenty of REAL evidence men are stronger, not least of all that all the strongest human characters in the setting are male, if you choose to ignore that because of arbitrary cope about "augments", you'd need to provide actual lore evidence women are equal, otherwise yet again, we default to biological reality.

That last paragraph about the Custodes is just incoherent babble. I linked you to a guy who owns that specific book, I don't own it and couldn't find a digital copy to cut and paste from. Only a total maniac such as yourself could get pedantic about the medium the evidence was presented in, while presenting zero evidence of your own.

And of course you're still coping about them deleting femcodes. "Maybe it's just inconsistent, we can't really have lost another culture war battle can we? I thought we were winning? Let's just double-down on our denial, that worked for the election!"

Absurd.

So then we are to not take what is presented in tabletop game and in lore as fact? Let's go further, and look within Space Marine 2. There's a pretty decent mix of men and women present in combat roles, fulfilling the same duties as eachother. We see they all fight equally well, and perform well. Not to mention that again, if GW wanted to show a disparity between men and women, they could just as easily just make it so there's only say. 1-5 heads for women in the Cadian Shock Troops box. The box that builds up the Imperial Guard army specifically, and is an essential "must get" of the faction. Unless you're going down a specialized route.

I am sad to say that I unfortunately do not tend to try to apply real world logic frequently to a fictional setting where real logic crumbles like dust. And instead apply logic based upon what is seen, and what can be inferred.

I also see you haven't been up to date, and have not seen that women in the Custodes are confirmed as still being canon by the author, Gav Thrope. Which funnily enough, I got ahead of myself and assumed the book was produced by Black Library. When instead it was a 3rd party book licensed by GW. If you'd like, I'd recommend looking at post #1181 which goes into further detail. Though I suppose going down a rational route would be seen as "doubling down on denial". I also question why you seem to be dragging politics into a discussion regarding Warhammer.

You haven't presented any lore evidence, I keep asking for it, but you keep rambling about a box you bought. So yeah, we don't take anything you say as fact, especially given you're dishonest, pathological and have an agenda. If anything, we need really solid evidence when it comes to you because you're so spectacularly unreliable.

GW don't openly state the obvious, that men are better soldiers than women, because people like you would blow a gasket. This is nearly 2025, you can't say common sense things like that any more. Doesn't matter if they have to lower fitness standards for women to get into the army, doesn't matter if they objectively perform worse at tasks, and it doesn't matter if not a single woman has ever got through the special forces training despite thousands attempting it...We just have to pretend we can't see all that and patronise women pretending they're equal, because of people like you.

You don't apply logic, logic is applying reality. You apply ideology, as above. That everybody is equal, non-binary and it's just a great big pansexual orgy under the rainbow. Very grimdark stuff.

Lol @ "up-to-date", even if these fans jumped the gun, it's hilarious you guys have forgot you were supposed to be gaslighting that female Custodes were there all along. "I must have written that bit before female Custodes got announced". Woops.

As for dragging politics into this, that was you. We want politics out. Unfortunately, that means we have to talk about politics until you stop talking about politics and stop making demands that ruin the setting. Like female Custodes.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Publicado originalmente por SnuffSaid:

Publicado originalmente por The_Dipl0mat:

So then we are to not take what is presented in tabletop game and in lore as fact? Let's go further, and look within Space Marine 2. There's a pretty decent mix of men and women present in combat roles, fulfilling the same duties as eachother. We see they all fight equally well, and perform well. Not to mention that again, if GW wanted to show a disparity between men and women, they could just as easily just make it so there's only say. 1-5 heads for women in the Cadian Shock Troops box. The box that builds up the Imperial Guard army specifically, and is an essential "must get" of the faction. Unless you're going down a specialized route.

I am sad to say that I unfortunately do not tend to try to apply real world logic frequently to a fictional setting where real logic crumbles like dust. And instead apply logic based upon what is seen, and what can be inferred.

I also see you haven't been up to date, and have not seen that women in the Custodes are confirmed as still being canon by the author, Gav Thrope. Which funnily enough, I got ahead of myself and assumed the book was produced by Black Library. When instead it was a 3rd party book licensed by GW. If you'd like, I'd recommend looking at post #1181 which goes into further detail. Though I suppose going down a rational route would be seen as "doubling down on denial". I also question why you seem to be dragging politics into a discussion regarding Warhammer.

You haven't presented any lore evidence, I keep asking for it, but you keep rambling about a box you bought. So yeah, we don't take anything you say as fact, especially given you're dishonest, pathological and have an agenda. If anything, we need really solid evidence when it comes to you because you're so spectacularly unreliable.

GW don't openly state the obvious, that men are better soldiers than women, because people like you would blow a gasket. This is nearly 2025, you can't say common sense things like that any more. Doesn't matter if they have to lower fitness standards for women to get into the army, doesn't matter if they objectively perform worse at tasks, and it doesn't matter if not a single woman has ever got through the special forces training despite thousands attempting it...We just have to pretend we can't see all that and patronise women pretending they're equal, because of people like you.

You don't apply logic, logic is applying reality. You apply ideology, as above. That everybody is equal, non-binary and it's just a great big pansexual orgy under the rainbow. Very grimdark stuff.

Lol @ "up-to-date", even if these fans jumped the gun, it's hilarious you guys have forgot you were supposed to be gaslighting that female Custodes were there all along. "I must have written that bit before female Custodes got announced". Woops.

As for dragging politics into this, that was you. We want politics out. Unfortunately, that means we have to talk about politics until you stop talking about politics and stop making demands that ruin the setting. Like female Custodes.

I have not mentioned having bought the box for the Cadian Shock Troops. I have been referencing how since their design refresh, they have been specifically shown as having enough heads to outfit an entire squad. This is a purposeful move by them, and one they have been slowly shifting towards. As back in 2020, the original Cadian sprue did not have any options for women. Then in, I believe 2023 they released an upgrade sprue for the Cadian Troops kit that included another set of weapons, and heads for women. Which consisted of 10~ heads for women, and about 25~ heads total. Which was packaged in addition to the 20~ heads of that sprue. Then in 2024 when the Astra Militarum range refresh occurred, the Cadian Shock Troops box had an equal headcount for men and women. At the time of the Cadians not having options for women barring kitbashing or exclusive models with Commissars, I did not care at all. When they introduced the upgrade sprue, I thought that was rad as hell, but not something that was "necessary"

Logic is making use of what information we're given and applying it. I applied logic inferred from the primary Warhammer source, tabletop. Used knowledge I saw from books, inferences from both natural evolution, harsh living conditions, and potential for forced evolution during the Golden Age of Technology. If I were "ideologically possessed" I would simply state what you believe I am saying, which appears to be "women are currently as strong as men on average".

Nobody is supposed to be doing anything. The lore for women in the Custodes has simply been altered to "always being there". Similar to most other introductions such as 30k releases, new vehicles (barring Primaris stuff. Kind of? It's a bit tricky when the lore is "actually, we've been having this in storage for 10k years". Nobody is trying to claim it was not a retcon as you appear to be.

Can you please provide a single instance in our conversation where I have mentioned politics? I believe the only time has been this post I made and the one before it, whilst you have decided to bring in American politics regarding the election for some strange reason. Unfortunately, changes to lore do not fall under a "political spectrum".

[SnuffSaid]

Publicado originalmente por The_Dipl0mat:

I have not mentioned having bought the box for the Cadian Shock Troops. I have been referencing how since their design refresh, they have been specifically shown as having enough heads to outfit an entire squad. This is a purposeful move by them, and one they have been slowly shifting towards. As back in 2020, the original Cadian sprue did not have any options for women. Then in, I believe 2023 they released an upgrade sprue for the Cadian Troops kit that included another set of weapons, and heads for women. Which consisted of 10~ heads for women, and about 25~ heads total. Which was packaged in addition to the 20~ heads of that sprue. Then in 2024 when the Astra Militarum range refresh occurred, the Cadian Shock Troops box had an equal headcount for men and women. At the time of the Cadians not having options for women barring kitbashing or exclusive models with Commissars, I did not care at all. When they introduced the upgrade sprue, I thought that was rad as hell, but not something that was "necessary"

This is all evidence they are giving more options to cater for bluehairs such as yourself. Which is just evidence we need to put our foots down harder before these options become lore. But crucially, they aren't lore yet, so you can't win this debate.

Publicado originalmente por The_Dipl0mat:

Logic is making use of what information we're given and applying it. I applied logic inferred from the primary Warhammer source, tabletop. Used knowledge I saw from books, inferences from both natural evolution, harsh living conditions, and potential for forced evolution during the Golden Age of Technology. If I were "ideologically possessed" I would simply state what you believe I am saying, which appears to be "women are currently as strong as men on average".

No, logic is applying reality to gaps in lore. If a setting doesn't explicitly tell you that gravity exists, you assume it does, based on reality. That is logic. Cold and pure. It does not surprise me in the least you wouldn't recognise it, because you run on emotion and intuition. It doesn't state women are equal to men, therefore we can reasonably conclude they are not, especially given they can't be space marines because their weak bodies couldn't handle it (lore written before the wokies invaded, which is always the best lore).

Publicado originalmente por The_Dipl0mat:

Nobody is supposed to be doing anything. The lore for women in the Custodes has simply been altered to "always being there". Similar to most other introductions such as 30k releases, new vehicles (barring Primaris stuff. Kind of? It's a bit tricky when the lore is "actually, we've been having this in storage for 10k years". Nobody is trying to claim it was not a retcon as you appear to be.

Can you please provide a single instance in our conversation where I have mentioned politics? I believe the only time has been this post I made and the one before it, whilst you have decided to bring in American politics regarding the election for some strange reason. Unfortunately, changes to lore do not fall under a "political spectrum".

Everything you say is politically charged. Literally. If I wanted to find a political post of yours, I could just print them all out, pin them to a wall, blindfold myself, throw a dart and I would hit one. This is the obtuse strategy rearing it's ugly head again, pretending you don't know you're being political unless you literally mention the election. This is puerile troll 101.

And nobody buys for a second your absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about being "neutral" on introducing women. You haven't been fighting this long and hard for the sake of devil's advocate. This is part of the reason you guys always lose, dishonesty. Your anti-woke enemies, whether they are moderates or conservatives, are all very up front and honest about what we want and what we don't want, which is why we tend to win. Nobody likes a snake in a grass.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Publicado originalmente por SnuffSaid:

Publicado originalmente por The_Dipl0mat:

I have not mentioned having bought the box for the Cadian Shock Troops. I have been referencing how since their design refresh, they have been specifically shown as having enough heads to outfit an entire squad. This is a purposeful move by them, and one they have been slowly shifting towards. As back in 2020, the original Cadian sprue did not have any options for women. Then in, I believe 2023 they released an upgrade sprue for the Cadian Troops kit that included another set of weapons, and heads for women. Which consisted of 10~ heads for women, and about 25~ heads total. Which was packaged in addition to the 20~ heads of that sprue. Then in 2024 when the Astra Militarum range refresh occurred, the Cadian Shock Troops box had an equal headcount for men and women. At the time of the Cadians not having options for women barring kitbashing or exclusive models with Commissars, I did not care at all. When they introduced the upgrade sprue, I thought that was rad as hell, but not something that was "necessary"

This is all evidence they are giving more options to cater for bluehairs such as yourself. Which is just evidence we need to put our foots down harder before these options become lore. But crucially, they aren't lore yet, so you can't win this debate.

Publicado originalmente por The_Dipl0mat:

Logic is making use of what information we're given and applying it. I applied logic inferred from the primary Warhammer source, tabletop. Used knowledge I saw from books, inferences from both natural evolution, harsh living conditions, and potential for forced evolution during the Golden Age of Technology. If I were "ideologically possessed" I would simply state what you believe I am saying, which appears to be "women are currently as strong as men on average".

No, logic is applying reality to gaps in lore. If a setting doesn't explicitly tell you that gravity exists, you assume it does, based on reality. That is logic. Cold and pure. It does not surprise me in the least you wouldn't recognise it, because you run on emotion and intuition. It doesn't state women are equal to men, therefore we can reasonably conclude they are not, especially given they can't be space marines because their weak bodies couldn't handle it (lore written before the wokies invaded, which is always the best lore).

Publicado originalmente por The_Dipl0mat:

Nobody is supposed to be doing anything. The lore for women in the Custodes has simply been altered to "always being there". Similar to most other introductions such as 30k releases, new vehicles (barring Primaris stuff. Kind of? It's a bit tricky when the lore is "actually, we've been having this in storage for 10k years". Nobody is trying to claim it was not a retcon as you appear to be.

Can you please provide a single instance in our conversation where I have mentioned politics? I believe the only time has been this post I made and the one before it, whilst you have decided to bring in American politics regarding the election for some strange reason. Unfortunately, changes to lore do not fall under a "political spectrum".

Everything you say is politically charged. Literally. If I wanted to find a political post of yours, I could just print them all out, pin them to a wall, blindfold myself, throw a dart and I would hit one. This is the obtuse strategy rearing it's ugly head again, pretending you don't know you're being political unless you literally mention the election. This is puerile troll 101.

And nobody buys for a second your absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about being "neutral" on introducing women. You haven't been fighting this long and hard for the sake of devil's advocate. This is part of the reason you guys always lose, dishonesty. Your anti-woke enemies, whether they are moderates or conservatives, are all very up front and honest about what we want and what we don't want, which is why we tend to win. Nobody likes a snake in a grass.

I do not have bluehair, so I fail to see how that's relevant. Regardless, how would it be catering when I stated that I did not find the model changes to be necessary. I believe an essential element of being catered to is feelings of being left out, and seeing change as required. In my case, this is an instance of "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, two cakes!". More sculpts, and slightly different options to paint with. Regardless, this is the primary source of Warhammer lore, where the rest is built off of. To dismiss it shows a lack of care for the primary aspect of Warhammer.

If the word gravity was never explicitly stated in a fiction, but read that things fell. There are two options for this. One is applying real world logic, and the other is applying logic from fiction. This strawman does end up leading to the same conclusion either way, as you could easily infer based upon the writing that gravity, or a word that means the same thing (mavity, perhaps?) is present. Or you could go "We have gravity in the real world, so this fictional world should have it as well".
Now, something to take in note here is there is also a vast difference between a universal constant as gravity, and ever changing biology. Something not well known for staying at a consistent zone. Which before you go into something about "Oh, but the shapes of creatures don't change that rapidly!" that is not what I am referring to. I am referring to how our hormone levels change over the course of humanity, how people grow taller over the generations, ect ect. After throwing in the Golden Age of Technology which can include perfected forced evolution, things get messy.

That seems like a convenient way to pin the blame on another. I have only spoke about the lore of Warhammer, with my only outside references to anything real being related to Gav Thorpe. I have not made jabs towards any political group, not insisted others are following a political ideology, or anything of the sort. I fail to see why you are attempting to levy me as being "solely political" when I have only seen one individual making constant political references, that being you.

I have admitted in the past that gun to the head, I was for it. But in a regular sense, I care little as it doesn't affect how I build my own models. I simply crave more bits and care not for their source. This is why I've also made arguments for an expansion of the Sisters of Battle. However after some thinking regarding Custodes, I can actually see a solid case against it. That being that Custodes being co-ed shows a stark difference between them and the Astartes. The process to create an Astartes is so radically different, that it can only accept 1/2 of humanity. Whilst the Custodes one is able to accept all applicants. Albiet having a much higher mortality rate during creation, but resulting in a much more effective unit.

However, I still personally enjoy the look. I recognize others may not, and they are 100% allowed to have their own reasons. You claim dishonesty in a space where I have been nothing but honest. Where the only way to claim that I am supposedly lying about how I feel in a hobby I actively participate in is by just saying that I am lying.

[SnuffSaid]

Ignoring all your irrelevant and incopherent rambling to post this rhetorical question.

What settings that caved to woke demands actually improved?

Star Wars? It's in the toilet, they can't even get on the big screen anymore and each TV show flops harder than the last.

Marvel or DC comics? Comic book sales are in the gutter. We can blame some of that on people reading less, but not all of it.

MCU or DCEU? - One is crashing and the other is rebooting for the umpteenth time.

The Witcher? - Star left, show cratered, woke spin-off bombed harder than Dresden.

House of the Dragon? Season 2 went downhill.

Last Of Us? - The second game split the fanbase almost clearly in half

Ghostbusters? - A bomb of a reboot followed by a meh reboot.

Terminator? - Even the return of James Cameron couldn't save that Dark Fate crap.

Dr Who? - It's fanbase is gone, worst viewing figures ever, it's a meme.

Willow? - Literally a tax write-off.

Matrix? - Pretend it was a trans allegory all along, that'll help.

Disney Princess remakes? - Flop after flop.

Lord Of The Rings? - A billion dollar disaster TV show, and a woke girlboss anime nobody saw.

Scooby Do? - Velma was a show so universally despised that season 1 perversely survived through "hate-watching".

Peter Pan? - Bomb.

Joker 2 - One of the biggest bombs of all time.

Resident Evil? - Cancelled the second it hit.

The list goes on. So what can we conclude your motivations actually are when you keep doing it? Either you actively enjoy ruining things, or you keep doing it for the 1/100 odds that it will turn out like BG3. If that was a gambling problem you'd have lost your house by now.

[The_Dipl0mat]

What does any of this have to do with Warhammer 40,000? You appear to have completely left the discussion and attempting to now start a new one about woke. I see you are incapable of continuing a discussion and instead moving into an entirely new one in the hopes that you can attempt to "win" something. I apologize life has gotten this way, and wish it gets better.

[SnuffSaid]

Publicado originalmente por The_Dipl0mat:

What does any of this have to do with Warhammer 40,000? You appear to have completely left the discussion and attempting to now start a new one about woke. I see you are incapable of continuing a discussion and instead moving into an entirely new one in the hopes that you can attempt to "win" something. I apologize life has gotten this way, and wish it gets better.

Because 40k is the setting you are currently trying to ruin, but haven't quite managed yet. This is because it has a 90% male fanbase, so it's a tough nut to crack. The Amazon TV show with Henry Cavill will be the litmus test for whether you manage to ruin this one or not.

I already won the debate purely by being on the side of reality, and a trans furry whose entire social life is contained inside an electric box in a dark room is in one heck of a glass house to be throwing stones about "pity". That's not to say I pity you, you have exactly the life you've earned as far as I'm concerned. You probably consider yourself a victim of society and circumstance but it's not a coincidence you have an insufferable personality.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Publicado originalmente por SnuffSaid:

Publicado originalmente por The_Dipl0mat:

What does any of this have to do with Warhammer 40,000? You appear to have completely left the discussion and attempting to now start a new one about woke. I see you are incapable of continuing a discussion and instead moving into an entirely new one in the hopes that you can attempt to "win" something. I apologize life has gotten this way, and wish it gets better.

Because 40k is the setting you are currently trying to ruin, but haven't quite managed yet. This is because it has a 90% male fanbase, so it's a tough nut to crack. The Amazon TV show with Henry Cavill will be the litmus test for whether you manage to ruin this one or not.

I already won the debate purely by being on the side of reality, and a trans furry whose entire social life is contained inside an electric box in a dark room is in one heck of a glass house to be throwing stones about "pity". That's not to say I pity you, you have exactly the life you've earned as far as I'm concerned. You probably consider yourself a victim of society and circumstance but it's not a coincidence you have an insufferable personality.

I am not attempting to ruin anything. I enjoy this hobby greatly, hence my active participation in it. I do not write letters to GW demanding anything. I do not believe elements have to be added or removed to enjoy this hobby. However, I can see what'd be neat in my personal opinion and think it'd be cool, but not necessary.

If you'd like to believe you won in a discussion where you've routinely insisted upon adhoms, insisted others are charged with "political ideology", and refused to actively engage with points directly engaging what you have stated. Then you are more than welcome to do so. I don't think anyone won here, and I hope things get better, genuinely. You seem to have a fair bit of resentment built up.