Black Ultramarines break established lore

[Tibi]

Here's why:
-Space Marines get their DNA rewritten at a young age. This has to be done because the extra organs they’re implanted with carry the DNA of their Primarch. So in order to prevent organ rejection, the aspirant’s entire DNA has to be rewritten to match their Primarch’s. This causes most marines to develop facial, and physical features similar to their gene father. And since their Primarch Girlyman was a blond white dude, most Ultramarines should look like a blonde white dude.
-Space Marine biology automatically changes their skin color to adapt to their environment. One of the organs they’re implanted with can quickly change the melanin content of their skin. So if they’re in an environment where the sun doesn’t shine harshly, the melanin content is removed from their skin to increase their vitamin D production. But if they’re in a radiation dense environment, their skin is pumped full of melanin to give them some protection. So while it IS possible for an Ultramarine to be black in a sunny environment, it does break the lore when they stand next to a battle brother who remained white.

But yeah… I guess diversity points are more important than decades of lore. At least there are no female marines YET… The Custodes sacrificed themselves to protect us from those chaos spawns. May we never forget their sacrifice.

[darth.crevette]

Originally posted by Hierophant with a keyboard:

I read a similar braindead argument on this forum like 2 years ago, I wonder if you copied from it...

More like, two days ago. Actually, there's probably on of these posts made every other day.

I also love how the mere existence of Horus Aximand undermines their entire argument.

[Thrasymachus]

Sigh. This has been covered multiple times already.

There are many examples in the lore of Space Marines having different skin tones. In Pandorax there is Dark Angel apothocary that has darker olive skin.

On the cover of The Solar War there is literally a black Imperial Fist on the cover.

Jonah Orion in the Dawn of War games is black.

There are many more examples that go back over a decade.

[Thrasymachus]

Originally posted by Tibi:

Originally posted by DankmasterKaiju:

tell us youre racist without telling us youre racist.

So caring about consistency = racism?

At this rate, every positive trait will be labeled as racist. Curious.

Being ignorant is typically not something to be praised.

[Tibi]

Originally posted by darth.crevette:

Originally posted by Hierophant with a keyboard:

I read a similar braindead argument on this forum like 2 years ago, I wonder if you copied from it...

More like, two days ago. Actually, there's probably on of these posts made every other day.

I also love how the mere existence of Horus Aximand undermines their entire argument.

In the book Horus Rising, Loken specifically stated that every one of his battle broters has a similarity to Horus, to the point where most regular humans had a trouble telling them apart from each other. Little Horus was special because even the Space Marines couldn't tell him apart from Horus if it wasn't for the height difference.

[zmanbuilder]

From what i read, the only gene seeds to alter skin color are the seeds of the salamanders and ravenguard.

[Tibi]

Originally posted by zmanbuilder:

From what i read, the only gene seeds to alter skin color are the seeds of the salamanders and ravenguard.

Salamanders originate from a planet that has extreme volcanic activity. This damaged their melanin controlling organ, which causes it to go on a permanent overdrive, regardless of the environment, giving them an unnaturally dark, charcoal black skin. I don't know much about the Raven Guard tho. All I know is Corvus Corax had Ivory skin, so it makes sense that it would be passed down by his gene seed.

[Moonlight Knight]

Originally posted by Tibi:

Originally posted by DankmasterKaiju:

tell us youre racist without telling us youre racist.

So caring about consistency = racism?

At this rate, every positive trait will be labeled as racist. Curious.

Get back to me when there's evidence the pre-Heresy Thousand Sons were all red-skinned.

Better yet, don't, because the covers to the Dawn of Fire novels exist and they already disproved the idea that all Ultramarines are white.

[Moonlight Knight]

Originally posted by Tibi:

Originally posted by zmanbuilder:

From what i read, the only gene seeds to alter skin color are the seeds of the salamanders and ravenguard.

Salamanders originate from a planet that has extreme volcanic activity. This damaged their melanin controlling organ, which causes it to go on a permanent overdrive, regardless of the environment, giving them an unnaturally dark, charcoal black skin. I don't know much about the Raven Guard tho. All I know is Corvus Corax had Ivory skin, so it makes sense that it would be passed down by his gene seed.

No, the Salamanders had a melanochrome mutation to begin with. The problem with their Melanochrome organ is that it doesn't "turn off," so individual members would get darker and darker and never become their natural skin-tone again... Or they would if their home planet wasn't high-radiation, which is why they're all legit obsidian-black.

The Raven Guard has the opposite mutation. They're all literally inhumanly white because their Melanochrome organ just doesn't give any outward indication of doing its job.

There IS a chapter of all pasty-white-skinned space marines who don't have a Melanochrome dysfunction... But that's because they were all recruited from a night world with no daylight to speak of. The chapter, or rather legion, is called the Night Lords.

[Tibi]

Originally posted by Moonlight Knight:

Originally posted by Tibi:

So caring about consistency = racism?

At this rate, every positive trait will be labeled as racist. Curious.

Get back to me when there's evidence the pre-Heresy Thousand Sons were all red-skinned.

Better yet, don't, because the covers to the Dawn of Fire novels exist and they already disproved the idea that all Ultramarines are white.

Dawn of Fire was released in 2020. The space marine creation process pre-dates it by decades.
And Magnus's red skin color was due to warp shenaningans. It's not biological, therefore not carried by his gene seed.

[Tibi]

Originally posted by Moonlight Knight:

Originally posted by Tibi:

Salamanders originate from a planet that has extreme volcanic activity. This damaged their melanin controlling organ, which causes it to go on a permanent overdrive, regardless of the environment, giving them an unnaturally dark, charcoal black skin. I don't know much about the Raven Guard tho. All I know is Corvus Corax had Ivory skin, so it makes sense that it would be passed down by his gene seed.

No, the Salamanders had a melanochrome mutation to begin with. The problem with their Melanochrome organ is that it doesn't "turn off," so individual members would get darker and darker and never become their natural skin-tone again... Or they would if their home planet wasn't high-radiation, which is why they're all legit obsidian-black.

The Raven Guard has the opposite mutation. They're all literally inhumanly white because their Melanochrome organ just doesn't give any outward indication of doing its job.

There IS a chapter of all pasty-white-skinned space marines who don't have a Melanochrome dysfunction... But that's because they were all recruited from a night world with no daylight to speak of. The chapter, or rather legion, is called the Night Lords.

None of that contradicts what I said.

[Moonlight Knight]

Originally posted by Tibi:

Originally posted by Moonlight Knight:

Get back to me when there's evidence the pre-Heresy Thousand Sons were all red-skinned.

Better yet, don't, because the covers to the Dawn of Fire novels exist and they already disproved the idea that all Ultramarines are white.

Dawn of Fire was released in 2020. The space marine creation process pre-dates it by decades.
And Magnus's red skin color was due to warp shenaningans. It's not biological, therefore not carried by his gene seed.

That would seem to indicate to me that that the Space Marine creation process would have been known to whoever made said cover. Newer things are not less canon just because you don't like them.

Primarchs who were more heavily mutated tended to leave stronger impacts on the geneseed of their genesons. Yes, the Blood Angels didn't become winged, but no other chapter is noted for having its geneseed make their Space Marines more handsome.

[Thrasymachus]

Originally posted by Tibi:

Originally posted by Moonlight Knight:

Get back to me when there's evidence the pre-Heresy Thousand Sons were all red-skinned.

Better yet, don't, because the covers to the Dawn of Fire novels exist and they already disproved the idea that all Ultramarines are white.

Dawn of Fire was released in 2020. The space marine creation process pre-dates it by decades.
And Magnus's red skin color was due to warp shenaningans. It's not biological, therefore not carried by his gene seed.

Are you also pissed that the Dark Angels are space knights now instead of space Native Americans?

[Tibi]

Originally posted by Thrasymachus:

Originally posted by Tibi:

Dawn of Fire was released in 2020. The space marine creation process pre-dates it by decades.
And Magnus's red skin color was due to warp shenaningans. It's not biological, therefore not carried by his gene seed.

Are you also pissed that the Dark Angels are space knights now instead of space Native Americans?

I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't know anything about Dark Angels.

[Moonlight Knight]

Originally posted by Tibi:

Originally posted by Moonlight Knight:

No, the Salamanders had a melanochrome mutation to begin with. The problem with their Melanochrome organ is that it doesn't "turn off," so individual members would get darker and darker and never become their natural skin-tone again... Or they would if their home planet wasn't high-radiation, which is why they're all legit obsidian-black.

The Raven Guard has the opposite mutation. They're all literally inhumanly white because their Melanochrome organ just doesn't give any outward indication of doing its job.

There IS a chapter of all pasty-white-skinned space marines who don't have a Melanochrome dysfunction... But that's because they were all recruited from a night world with no daylight to speak of. The chapter, or rather legion, is called the Night Lords.

None of that contradicts what I said.

It does, though. Because the three chapters that are the most like their primarchs in this regard either have a skin mutation or are all recruited from the same place.

Hell, the Blood Angels are all recruited from Baal, and the White Scars only recruit from Mundus Planus, so this argument goes further.

There's no actual evidence that the geneseed implantation changes skin color.

[Tibi]

Originally posted by Moonlight Knight:

Originally posted by Tibi:

Dawn of Fire was released in 2020. The space marine creation process pre-dates it by decades.
And Magnus's red skin color was due to warp shenaningans. It's not biological, therefore not carried by his gene seed.

That would seem to indicate to me that that the Space Marine creation process would have been known to whoever made said cover. Newer things are not less canon just because you don't like them.

Primarchs who were more heavily mutated tended to leave stronger impacts on the geneseed of their genesons. Yes, the Blood Angels didn't become winged, but no other chapter is noted for having its geneseed make their Space Marines more handsome.

If two lore fragments contradict each other, then the one that makes more sense wins out. That's how it always worked. And all ultramarines being white because their DNA has to be rewritten makes more sense than "u racist if you don't like black marine". Sorry.