Ravenguard for the vanguard?

[Pokemastuh]

Bit of an odd choice. Makes me wonder who will be on Assault. Only reasonable option I can think of is White Scars.

[w10-20-2000]

Originally posted by SievertChaser:

Agreed. Mine's a Wolf.

Good choice, i expected them to make Space Wolves set for him, but after Salamander Sniper and Vanguard Raven guard , i have no idea what they smoke and who will get Wolf cosmetics

[Sergalius]

Originally posted by SievertChaser:

Originally posted by Sergalius:

Phobos armor is LITERALLY what raven guard wanted for Thousands of years.
Pls read f*cking lore.

In not such harsh terms, but yeah, exactly. The Vanguard we see in-game is kinda flanderized, but they're special ops among Astartes, as are the Raven Guard.

They are not special ops among Astartes. They are the light troops
Special ops are First company(veterans) or Killteams.
Yes Scouts, but they are more army snipers than special ops, but i got what you mean.
ALL Astartes are special ops in this case, if we think about it

[w10-20-2000]

Originally posted by Sergalius:

he is blood angel with red thrist coming out
Space wolves are not unhinged most of the times.
pls read the lore. Hayle has good books about Wolves
They are trained executors and serious as f*ck when on the hunt. Btw any space marine can joke and be funny with battle brothers. it is not space wolves only indentity.

Space Wolves from Battle for the Abyss, Rogue Trade game and Prospero Burns disagree with you

[Sergalius]

Originally posted by SievertChaser:

Originally posted by w10-20-2000:

Vanguard is so unhinged, reminds me more of Space Wolves. I mean this: "I crave a bloodbath, or a blood shower." is not what i expect to hear from Raven Guard

Agreed. Mine's a Wolf.

Corax was furious in his own Rage. Lorgar did not expect it
Raven guard is the same coin as blood angels about Wrath of the Kind. But Blood angels about Rage, when Raven guard about Wrath or retribution.

[Sergalius]

Originally posted by w10-20-2000:

Originally posted by Sergalius:

he is blood angel with red thrist coming out
Space wolves are not unhinged most of the times.
pls read the lore. Hayle has good books about Wolves
They are trained executors and serious as f*ck when on the hunt. Btw any space marine can joke and be funny with battle brothers. it is not space wolves only indentity.

Space Wolves from Battle for the Abyss, Rogue Trade game and Prospero Burns disagree with you

Prospero burns is old and outdated book, had written from chaos fan. xD
Read hayle books, he knows them well.
Btw any Space marine can be furious, but wolves were always the most Focused on the hunt, thats why malcador choosed them as own Instruments+ loyalty.
I dont like when they are becoming stupid furry-barbarians. They are not.

[w10-20-2000]

Originally posted by Sergalius:

Originally posted by w10-20-2000:

Space Wolves from Battle for the Abyss, Rogue Trade game and Prospero Burns disagree with you

Prospero burns is old and outdated book, written from chaos fan. xD
Read hayle books.

There is like hundreds of books or pieces of lore about how unhinged Space Wolves are, i mean another book is The Unremembered Empire.

For God Emperor sake Logan Grimnar wields chaos artifact he took from Chaos Champion

[Sergalius]

Originally posted by w10-20-2000:

Originally posted by Sergalius:

Prospero burns is old and outdated book, written from chaos fan. xD
Read hayle books.

There is like hundreds of books or pieces of lore about how unhinged Space Wolves are, i mean another book is The Unremembered Empire.

For God Emperor sake Logan Grimnar wields chaos artifact he took from Chaos Champion

Oh you dont know that half of HH is outdated and basically was retconned after 2015-2016? hah

[w10-20-2000]

i will stop, this is hopeless

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Sergalius:

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

It kinda feels like they're trying to purposely subvert expectations? Like sure, Ravenguard can be vanguard, but it's def a surprise. Just like the Salamander. And tbh, I'd say even the heavy champion. I would have expected them to be the tactical

Who knows, maybe they throw darts at a board to pick

Phobos armor is LITERALLY what raven guard wanted for Thousands of years.
Pls read f*cking lore.

Yes yes, we know. It's a surprise that its vanguard instead of assault. Just like how it was a surprise that the Salamander is a sniper instead of any class with access to a melta. Because within the lore, a sniper does fit the promethium cults creed

[Sergalius]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Originally posted by Sergalius:

Phobos armor is LITERALLY what raven guard wanted for Thousands of years.
Pls read f*cking lore.

Yes yes, we know. It's a surprise that its vanguard instead of assault. Just like how it was a surprise that the Salamander is a sniper instead of any class with access to a melta. Because within the lore, a sniper does fit the promethium cults creed

Salamanders love to FORGE and FLAMES
BUT FORGE FIRST
they are not like white scars, which dont like to use dreads at all
So they can use all classes
Btw sniper have melta gun x)))

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Sergalius:

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Yes yes, we know. It's a surprise that its vanguard instead of assault. Just like how it was a surprise that the Salamander is a sniper instead of any class with access to a melta. Because within the lore, a sniper does fit the promethium cults creed

Salamanders love to FORGE and FLAMES
BUT FORGE FIRST
they are not like white scars, which dont like to use dreads at all
So they can use all classes
Btw sniper have melta gun x)))

Yeah, just about any chapter would be able to use any class. That being said, people do have preconceived ideas of what class would be used to represent a chapter based upon prior art. Not to mention Sniper doesn't have access to a melta. The closest it has access to is the neo-volkite. Which uses a direct application of heat, rather than atomic friction like meltas

[Cobra]

Originally posted by Panny:

Blood angels i'd assume is the most obvious choice for assault.

And for that reason it wont be.... The champion choices really baffles me, not giving people what they want just to be "different"

[Ishan451]

Originally posted by Pokemastuh:

Raven guard for the vanguard? Bit of an odd choice.

Why is it an odd choice? Raven Guard are a "Scout" chapter. Vanguards... which seem to be representing Intercessors and their "alternates", are very much fitting in with the Raven Guard.

Originally posted by Pokemastuh:

Only reasonable option I can think of is White Scars.

And why would you think that? White Scars are fast attack, hit hard... type of Chapter. They ain't known for their Scouts. They are known to be relentlessly hunting you down.

They aren't a "Vanguard" type of Chapter/Legion... they are a Vehicle based Legion that has many "heavies". They actually have an entire company of nothing but Devastors and Hellblasters. And a 2nd Company of Inceptors (Heavies on Gravplates)

The Classes for White Scars, in Space Marine 2, would be Tactical, Assault and Heavy.

[Pokemastuh]

Originally posted by Ishan451:

Originally posted by Pokemastuh:

Raven guard for the vanguard? Bit of an odd choice.

Why is it an odd choice? Raven Guard are a "Scout" chapter. Vanguards... which seem to be representing Intercessors and their "alternates", are very much fitting in with the Raven Guard.

Originally posted by Pokemastuh:

Only reasonable option I can think of is White Scars.

And why would you think that? White Scars are fast attack, hit hard... type of Chapter. They ain't known for their Scouts. They are known to be relentlessly hunting you down.

They aren't a "Vanguard" type of Chapter/Legion... they are a Vehicle based Legion that has many "heavies". They actually have an entire company of nothing but Devastors and Hellblasters. And a 2nd Company of Inceptors (Heavies on Gravplates)

The Classes for White Scars, in Space Marine 2, would be Tactical, Assault and Heavy.

Always good to see you in the wild Ishan. While I can see how vanguard would work for for the Ravenguard, the two classes that seem to fit them best are the sniper or the assault, which is why I thought it strange for their champion to be the vanguard when at least the assault is still available. This was an observation made off the mistaken belief that this was a champion pack.

As for why I thought the white scars would be an assault, it's because they favor speed and chasing down their targets. Since we really don't have vehicles, white scars seemed like the best option for an assault champion outside the ravenguard. I also admit I kinda forgot the blood angels were a thing as I haven't consumed much blood angels content overall. More of a salamanders, white scars, and iron hands kinda guy when it comes to space marines.

[SievertChaser]

Originally posted by Ishan451:

Originally posted by Pokemastuh:

Raven guard for the vanguard? Bit of an odd choice.

Why is it an odd choice? Raven Guard are a "Scout" chapter. Vanguards... which seem to be representing Intercessors and their "alternates", are very much fitting in with the Raven Guard.

Intercessors are the Primaris term for most general-purpose battleline squads now. This includes the former Tacticals, Assaults, and much of the Heavy class of SM2.

The Vanguard corresponds to the tabletop Riever. Basically the tabletop Vanguards (including the Sniper a.k.a. Vanguard Eliminator) are distinguished by Phobos-pattern armor and attendant vehiles.