Bolt Pistol, do you still use it?

[Tao314zdin]

Was just curious, I generally like to use variety of weapons and with my Sniper/Assault/Tactical rotate through the majority of the primary weapons, all melee weapons and every secondary except for the Bolt Pistol.

IMO it simply lacks any kind of unique identity to pick it for, like just worse version of Heavy Bolt Pistol.

I think devs could have made something with it, like make the mag 2x to the current version and make it fully automatic (keeping fire_rate/accuracy as it is now). That way it would gain a separate identity making it worth picking.

Or do you think it is fine as it is and you use it on some builds?

[Voldo]

No.

[Voldo]

nope. too weak. if can, use plasma pistol, charged shots are too good to stagger / deal damage / recover health back as ranged.

if no such option, rely on heavy bolt pistol.

heavy pistol is in lore assigned to assault squads. giving it to other classes kinda killed the need for weak bolt pistol.

bolt pistol would need drum mag + scope options (basically Spectris Pattern) to be any use.

[GipseyDanger ( >ω<)っ ♡]

I edited the weapon files and turned it into an auto-piistol/ machine pistol similar to an Uzi. :D So yeah in a way sometimes

[Tao314zdin]

Yeah, I was suspecting it would not be popular.

Wonder if devs would do anything though. As one of the reply mentioned it is probably just there for lore (which is now also not followed as per who should have access to HBP making it absolute).

[Ma©intosh™]

У хэви болт пистолета - боезапас маловат, ему бы пулек с собой побольше и будет хорошо

[[HN]]

Yup, I still use it on tac along my Heavy Bolt Riffle.
The Heavy pistol is too slow and basically to what my HBR already do, while the standard pistol is faster which complete the build.

[Medicles]

Of course not. It was a dead weapon after they gave everyone the superior Heavy Bolt Pistol, which was a mistake. But we also have so many secondaries now, even without the Heavy Bolt Pistol most classes wouldnt use the Bolt Pistol anymore.

I dont even see a way for a comeback. The only advantage it had over the HBP was more ammo and even that isnt really a concern anymore, since the HBP has more than enough ammo now. There is just no role for the Bolt Pistol to shine in. Should be deleted from the game, imo.

[Chibbity]

Originally posted by HN:

Yup, I still use it on tac along my Heavy Bolt Riffle.
The Heavy pistol is too slow and basically to what my HBR already do, while the standard pistol is faster which complete the build.

Same, I prefer the regular Bolt Pistol on Tactical.

It fires a lot quicker, has more clip size for dealing with cultists; and just feels better to use than the Heavy.

I wouldn't be surprised if it output more DPS in the short term as well, given the Heavies slow firing speed and small clip; but we don't have great numbers in game to do the math on that.

[Lowbei]

Originally posted by Medicles:

Of course not. It was a dead weapon after they gave everyone the superior Heavy Bolt Pistol, which was a mistake. But we also have so many secondaries now, even without the Heavy Bolt Pistol most classes wouldnt use the Bolt Pistol anymore.

I dont even see a way for a comeback. The only advantage it had over the HBP was more ammo and even that isnt really a concern anymore, since the HBP has more than enough ammo now. There is just no role for the Bolt Pistol to shine in. Should be deleted from the game, imo.

or the hbp should have reduced ammo

[Tao314zdin]

Originally posted by Chibbity:

I wouldn't be surprised if it output more DPS in the short term as well, given the Heavies slow firing speed and small clip; but we don't have great numbers in game to do the math on that.

You can check here actually, I think it is fairly accurate (likely taken for damage versions of each weapon):

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kVvYgDBoAan98W3IjAM6ERdq-QfkCsaVvXKF5g_Q9sU/edit?gid=1670154345#gid=1670154345

BP only has better body-shot DPS. So kinda better if you want to quickly shoot cultists as you mentioned and probably better in a hord of minories at close quarters, but Tactical has block-CS that goes BRRR and solves that issue.

[Predator.v2]

It is probably the best pvp pistol. :)

[valium]

Wow, nice to see some math as confirmation. I knew the heavy pistol had some baller headshot damage, but I didnt know the bolt pistol had such good non headshot dps.

[Tao314zdin]

Originally posted by Predator.v2:

It is probably the best pvp pistol. :)

Well good point I guess. Yeah I should have mentioned I meant PVE.

[Chibbity]

While we're on the subject, I had a question maybe someone can answer.

Guns often have a perk that gives +10% damage, and then another perk that gives +10% head shot damage.

But..isn't a flat +10% to all damage just inherently better than just +10% to headshots? Wouldn't the flat +10% to all damage make your headshots do more as well? Is there some nuance to this I'm not understanding? Does that flat damage bonus NOT work on headshots?

From a common sense perspective I would expect the flat damage increase to be less than the head shot specific one. Like +5% flat damage vs. +10% head shot damage.

[valium]

The 10% to all damage is most likely better, but not always available, as you pointed out. The ONLY headshot multiplier is probably a balance consideration.