Prestige Perk Reset from a New Player Prespective

[TheLastPillar]

I was kinda interested in prestiging the few lvl 25s I had when I heard about this, but starting from scratch as a new player is...disheartening.

I typically try to value function over form and leave most cosmetics for later. I have a few loyalist chapters bought out, but that's about it. I invested fairly heavily into my classes' perks and to know all that will be gone when I could have just spent my requisition points on new weapons/colors/decals does leave a bitter taste in my my mouth. I still need to finish getting all of those things, so now, if I want to prestige all these classes sitting at 25, I am going to have to balance buying perks all over with my weapons and heraldry.

I don't have 540 requisition just banked up ready to buy out the full perk tree for a class. For most, they just need to buy as they go and the perks will pay for themselves. For me, I feel like I'm already behind the 8 ball in terms of the grind. Had I known these perks were going to disappear on me when I ranked up, I just wouldn't buy perks until I either have all cosmetics and weapons, or I'm done prestiging.

Why waste requisition on something that will just go away when I have so many other permanent purchases to make? I'd rather play terribly because I have a zero perk space marine and buy everything out first. It's gonna suck for me and everyone unlucky enough to match with me, but I my mind, it's the only choice I have.

[Chibbity]

If you're not sitting on a pile of requisition, you're not ready to prestige; focus on upgrading your weapons and classes for now.

Not buying perks would be an incredibly silly decision, you can earn infinite requisition, it's not a finite resource; and you're gonna run out of stuff to spend it on soon enough.

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Originally posted by TheLastPillar:

I was kinda interested in prestiging the few lvl 25s I had when I heard about this, but starting from scratch as a new player is...disheartening.

Let me stop you right there, even from a veteran point of view, it's a pain in the ass.
The build you got used to is now gone, and if you plan on maxing prestige you are basically never going to play with any real build until you are completely done.

It's awful and there is literally no defense for it outside of the obvious lie that "its how its always done".

[TheLastPillar]

Originally posted by Chibbity:

If you're not sitting on a pile of requisition, you're not ready to prestige, focus on upgrading your weapons and classes for now.

The thing is, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to sit on lvl 25 wasting xp. If I can grind two things at once I'm going to do that.

[Chibbity]

Originally posted by TheLastPillar:

Originally posted by Chibbity:

If you're not sitting on a pile of requisition, you're not ready to prestige, focus on upgrading your weapons and classes for now.

The thing is, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to sit on lvl 25 wasting xp. If I can grind two things at once I'm going to do that.

Then do it, the only thing stopping you; is you.

[TheLastPillar]

Originally posted by Chibbity:

Originally posted by TheLastPillar:

The thing is, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to sit on lvl 25 wasting xp. If I can grind two things at once I'm going to do that.

Then do it, the only thing stopping you; is you.

I will, my point though was that any option I take is less fun for me. Either I'm stuck wasting xp sitting on lvl 25 to grind up, waste requisition I need to catch up on the cosmetic grind getting my perks back every prestige, or playing an objectively worse marine to make the grind faster. In my mind, it was a development choice that made the game worse and I question the logic.

[Chibbity]

Originally posted by TheLastPillar:

Originally posted by Chibbity:

Then do it, the only thing stopping you; is you.

I will, my point though was that any option I take is less fun for me. Either I'm stuck wasting xp sitting on lvl 25 to grind up, waste requisition I need to catch up on the cosmetic grind getting my perks back every prestige, or playing an objectively worse marine to make the grind faster. In my mind, it was a development choice that made the game worse and I question the logic.

It sounds like you have some decisions to make about what you spend your Req on.

Most games require you to divide your resources among several attractive avenues, I don't see anything inherently wrong with that.

Personally, I love having a reason to not only play the classes I love more; but also a great reason to help new players out.

[TheLastPillar]

Originally posted by Chibbity:

Originally posted by TheLastPillar:

I will, my point though was that any option I take is less fun for me. Either I'm stuck wasting xp sitting on lvl 25 to grind up, waste requisition I need to catch up on the cosmetic grind getting my perks back every prestige, or playing an objectively worse marine to make the grind faster. In my mind, it was a development choice that made the game worse and I question the logic.

It sounds like you have some decisions to make about what you spend your Req on.

Personally, I love having a reason to not only play the classes I love more; but also a great reason to help new players out.

I sincerely am glad you feel that way, but I still believe they could have incentivised you to go for prestige without taking away all the perks. I want to go for prestige likely for the same reasons you do. The new perks, the cosmetics, the fancy number next to your name. They didn't need to add the stick when they were already dangling the carrot is all I'm saying.

[Medicles]

Originally posted by TheLastPillar:

I was kinda interested in prestiging the few lvl 25s I had when I heard about this, but starting from scratch as a new player is...disheartening.

I typically try to value function over form and leave most cosmetics for later. I have a few loyalist chapters bought out, but that's about it. I invested fairly heavily into my classes' perks and to know all that will be gone when I could have just spent my requisition points on new weapons/colors/decals does leave a bitter taste in my my mouth. I still need to finish getting all of those things, so now, if I want to prestige all these classes sitting at 25, I am going to have to balance buying perks all over with my weapons and heraldry.

I don't have 540 requisition just banked up ready to buy out the full perk tree for a class. For most, they just need to buy as they go and the perks will pay for themselves. For me, I feel like I'm already behind the 8 ball in terms of the grind. Had I known these perks were going to disappear on me when I ranked up, I just wouldn't buy perks until I either have all cosmetics and weapons, or I'm done prestiging.

Why waste requisition on something that will just go away when I have so many other permanent purchases to make? I'd rather play terribly because I have a zero perk space marine and buy everything out first. It's gonna suck for me and everyone unlucky enough to match with me, but I my mind, it's the only choice I have.

Understandable, but you obviously started before the current patch, which means you kinda knew what you were getting into for just maxing out the stuff that was there before.

I can tell you right now, we all started with a limited amount of resources and we all eventually stacked up those resources, because its actually not that much to unlock, up until now of course. Many of us also didnt even have the helpful stuff that exist now, like armory data upgrade or selling for money.

Many of us also just stood there with having maxed out everything and not really a way to spend anything anymore, which you would have come to eventually as well.

Now, you dont need prestige. The game is not balanced around you needing prestige. Its perfectly fine to just bring classes to 25, max. out all the weapons and unlock skins. And eventually, if you want to, you can start with the prestige grind. Its an option, nothing more.

Its actually more important for you to learn the game, get some experience and skill, because with that you dont need to feel like a liabilty and you will be able to beat higher difficulties with a lvl 1 marine. Dont even need to go super high, Ruthless and even Substantial difficulty are more than enough and you wont even see much of a difference in gameplay because your maxed out weapons are just enough to beat the game.

[TheLastPillar]

Originally posted by Medicles:

Originally posted by TheLastPillar:

I was kinda interested in prestiging the few lvl 25s I had when I heard about this, but starting from scratch as a new player is...disheartening.

I typically try to value function over form and leave most cosmetics for later. I have a few loyalist chapters bought out, but that's about it. I invested fairly heavily into my classes' perks and to know all that will be gone when I could have just spent my requisition points on new weapons/colors/decals does leave a bitter taste in my my mouth. I still need to finish getting all of those things, so now, if I want to prestige all these classes sitting at 25, I am going to have to balance buying perks all over with my weapons and heraldry.

I don't have 540 requisition just banked up ready to buy out the full perk tree for a class. For most, they just need to buy as they go and the perks will pay for themselves. For me, I feel like I'm already behind the 8 ball in terms of the grind. Had I known these perks were going to disappear on me when I ranked up, I just wouldn't buy perks until I either have all cosmetics and weapons, or I'm done prestiging.

Why waste requisition on something that will just go away when I have so many other permanent purchases to make? I'd rather play terribly because I have a zero perk space marine and buy everything out first. It's gonna suck for me and everyone unlucky enough to match with me, but I my mind, it's the only choice I have.

Understandable, but you obviously started before the current patch, which means you kinda knew what you were getting into for just maxing out the stuff that was there before.

I can tell you right now, we all started with a limited amount of resources and we all eventually stacked up those resources, because its actually not that much to unlock, up until now of course. Many of us also didnt even have the helpful stuff that exist now, like armory data upgrade or selling for money.

Many of us also just stood there with having maxed out everything and not really a way to spend anything anymore, which you would have come to eventually as well.

Now, you dont need prestige. The game is not balanced around you needing prestige. Its perfectly fine to just bring classes to 25, max. out all the weapons and unlock skins. And eventually, if you want to, you can start with the prestige grind. Its an option, nothing more.

Its actually more important for you to learn the game, get some experience and skill, because with that you dont need to feel like a liabilty and you will be able to beat higher difficulty with a lvl 1 marine. Dont even need to get super high, Ruthless and even Substantial difficulty are more than enough and you wont even see much of a difference in gameplay because your maxed out weapons are just enough to beat the game, on average.

I actually didn't know. I am not on the up and up when it comes to development of the game. Too busy playing what was already there. I did not know that the requisition I was dumping into my marines would go up in smoke. I get that were all in the same boats when it comes to that point, but it feels like everyone got a hole in their ship, at least the veterans had time to plate it with gold before they had to patch the hole. I was in the middle of plating mine with gold when I was told their is a hole in the bottom.

That being said I think you're right about knowing the game being the best way to survive. My worry isn't that, it's that to me, I thought I was almost done buying power and now could focus on fashioning out my marines and now I find out Saber moved the goal posts on me.

[Medicles]

Originally posted by TheLastPillar:

I actually didn't know. I am not on the up and up when it comes to development of the game. Too busy playing what was already there. I did not know that the requisition I was dumping into my marines would go up in smoke. I get that were all in the same boats when it comes to that point, but it feels like everyone got a hole in their ship, at least the veterans had time to plate it with gold before they had to patch the hole. I was in the middle of plating mine with gold when I was told their is a hole in the bottom.

That being said I think you're right about knowing the game being the best way to survive. My worry isn't that, it's that to me, I thought I was almost done buying power and now could focus on fashioning out my marines and now I find out Saber moved the goal posts on me.

Nono, i wasnt saying you knew about prestige, but about the game before prestige. You knew about the maximum power you could get, which as you said was almost reached before the prestige system came out.

But again i tell you, the prestige system can wait. Its not important. You dont need it. You can easily finish all difficulties with just a standard lvl 25 marine. The prestige system is basically just there to give us a grind after we reached the maximum power of the original game.

You can focus on fashion, easily. Its one of my favourites as well but i am still limited because my main chapter hasnt released yet.

[GoldSoldier]

My issue is them taking my best wargear on assault and relocking it behind 4 prestige tiers! And then I immediately hear "they said its a bug on discord." Which is exactly what I heard when I experienced the first parry nerf...and then the second. With only one of those being admitted to ever happen. And now I see getting my old play feel back is contingent on grinding back nerfed forms of my nerfs! xD The new mission is good so, positivity.

[Kurtino]

I think this differing perspective might be from playing on different difficulties? As I play on the hardest difficulty and I've been sitting on maxed 2k req for ages I'm scratching my head at OP's complaint, and even if it was reset to 0 (which it has a few times while I've spam bought every cosmetic in the game), it's trivial to get back up due to how much you earn from playing on the hardest difficulties.

Maybe the grind is coming from playing the easier difficulties not rewarding as much? Consider the power jump you should be getting from both the prestige bonus and your knowledge, as well as presumably your weapons being maxed out and gold at this point, and factor that in to how quickly you can earn back your perks. That's if I'm assuming correctly anyway.

[subaridji]

This is Warhammer. You have to struggle, marine. For the Emperor!

[Prussian Wolf]

I think people are REALLY exaggerating with "starting from scratch". Weapons are honestly more important than most of the skills in the game, and you keep them. You can immediately hop on higher difficulty and gain MANY levels from a single match.

Requisition isn't really any more difficult to get, I wouldn't hog it, especially not when you can get actually good perks. Either way... if you don't want to prestige, don't. If you're new, you can level up the different classes, max out your guns, unlock all the cosmetics...

[Ichi-niiPL]

Originally posted by Prussian Wolf:

I think people are REALLY exaggerating with "starting from scratch". Weapons are honestly more important than most of the skills in the game, and you keep them. You can immediately hop on higher difficulty and gain MANY levels from a single match.

Requisition isn't really any more difficult to get, I wouldn't hog it, especially not when you can get actually good perks.

Exactly with maxed out weapons you can easily do ruthless operation even as lvl1, probably even higher diff is possible, i know this from when i was maxing out classes back in the day ;)