Female custodes are lazy and makes a process of making a custodes pointless

[0nomax]

We have Sisters of Battle and Silence they're already "female space marines" but without the genetic upgrades. So SoB are already more badass than Astartes because theyre normal women with power armour fighting demons and aliens, so why would they make female custodes if theyre lazy, unoriginal and are no different than normal male cannon custodes? And now to the pointless part. They can literally just have sex with male custodes to make new custodes making the whole process of turning normal boys into custodes. Its all just so dumb and pointless. Why not just make another faction like Sisters of Battle or Silence that dosent break the lore if they want more women in 40k? Rewriting the lore is just stupid and a good way to lose fans and money. Its like saying "Oh, ya see, we changed our mind and Yvraine is now actually a Tau and not an Eldar. Infact, she was a Tau in disguise all along. Forget that, it was just Alpharius." But fr tho its just dumb.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Mmmmmm, bait

You can tell by the lack of lore knowledge

EDIT: Going back on calling it bait, this fellow just appears to be new

[0nomax]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Mmmmmm, bait

You can tell by the lack of lore knowledge

If you mean that im new to 40k then yes, youre right but i see no point in female custodes

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Onomax:

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Mmmmmm, bait

You can tell by the lack of lore knowledge

If you mean that im new to 40k then yes, youre right but i see no point in female custodes

Custodians are sterile, so the reproduction point is moot. SoB may be more badass than Astartes, but Astartes are stronger. Custodes are stronger than Astartes.

The way Custodians are made is also unknown with only theories to go towards it, whilst Astartes do have a process that is somewhat known. The only aspects known for Custodians is that they gotta be young when inducted. The success rate for Custodians is also low as hell. In addition to this, the tithe given to make Custodians from Royal Families would seem to make an uneven balance, as should a Royal Family produce only women in a certain lineage, they amass more n' more power. After all, four nobles are mightier than three.

[0nomax]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Originally posted by Onomax:

If you mean that im new to 40k then yes, youre right but i see no point in female custodes

Custodians are sterile, so the reproduction point is moot. SoB may be more badass than Astartes, but Astartes are stronger. Custodes are stronger than Astartes.

The way Custodians are made is also unknown with only theories to go towards it, whilst Astartes do have a process that is somewhat known. The only aspects known for Custodians is that they gotta be young when inducted. The success rate for Custodians is also low as hell. In addition to this, the tithe given to make Custodians from Royal Families would seem to make an uneven balance, as should a Royal Family produce only women in a certain lineage, they amass more n' more power. After all, four nobles are mightier than three.

yes, i know how powerscaling is in 40k and from what families custodes come from but i didnt know that theyre sterile so thank you for clearing that up. but for them to be female still makes no sense, as you said the success rate for Custodians is also low and since the Emperor not being able to help make more its even lower. so my point is, from my understanding of the lore, logical because if the Imperium takes all of the kids from Royals, boys and girls, then there will be none left to continue the Royal line and make more royal kids because making kids takes time. Sure, Royals can live longer with surgeries that make them age slower (im pretty sure thoes exist in 40k) but thoes geezers aint getting any younger and their biological clocks are ticking. And it does not make lore any richer but confusing for rookies like me.

[Darsh]

What about the Custodes changes, or is made worse, by there being women in them, other than the removal of it being a boys only club?

Can you articulate, any issue with this, that does not just boil down to. "There were already women that existed in the world, and I am mad that one of the boys only clubs is now mixed." Cause as fancy as ya'll make them that is the ONLY argument I actually see.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Onomax:

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Custodians are sterile, so the reproduction point is moot. SoB may be more badass than Astartes, but Astartes are stronger. Custodes are stronger than Astartes.

The way Custodians are made is also unknown with only theories to go towards it, whilst Astartes do have a process that is somewhat known. The only aspects known for Custodians is that they gotta be young when inducted. The success rate for Custodians is also low as hell. In addition to this, the tithe given to make Custodians from Royal Families would seem to make an uneven balance, as should a Royal Family produce only women in a certain lineage, they amass more n' more power. After all, four nobles are mightier than three.

yes, i know how powerscaling is in 40k and from what families custodes come from but i didnt know that theyre sterile so thank you for clearing that up. but for them to be female still makes no sense, as you said the success rate for Custodians is also low and since the Emperor not being able to help make more its even lower. so my point is, from my understanding of the lore, logical because if the Imperium takes all of the kids from Royals, boys and girls, then there will be none left to continue the Royal line and make more royal kids because making kids takes time. Sure, Royals can live longer with surgeries that make them age slower (im pretty sure thoes exist in 40k) but thoes geezers aint getting any younger and their biological clocks are ticking. And it does not make lore any richer but confusing for rookies like me.

The Emperor made the process in the first place, the fact genesmiths are able to continue it at all is a miracle. Arguably, if the success rate was made lower over time then wouldn't one wish to get as many applicants through as possible?

They also don't take all the children from families I imagine, as that would result in no Royal lineage either. As even if women weren't Custodes and they took only the men, then what men remain if they take them all? (But yeah, surgeries do exist to extend lifetime).

I should also emphasize that by young, I mean young. Ages of like, 1-5 I think is what we have examples of?

[0nomax]

Originally posted by Darsh:

What about the Custodes changes, or is made worse, by there being women in them, other than the removal of it being a boys only club?

Can you articulate, any issue with this, that does not just boil down to. "There were already women that existed in the world, and I am mad that one of the boys only clubs is now mixed." Cause as fancy as ya'll make them that is the ONLY argument I actually see.

they are rewriting the lore for no reason. dont get me wrong, i like women in 40k. hell one of my top 3 characters is Saint Celestine. but the custodes first appeared in Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader, the original version of the game published in 1987 and for them to just change the lore for no good reason is confusing. Its like saying that the 2 lost primarchs are women. Primarchs being women is a cool concept but cant be cannon because Malcador warned the Big E to make the primarchs female so that it would make things more civilised but E tought he was making a joke and made them all male. (source: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EzLpghEbjYk https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2PnR6dHY7tM) So my point is that its dumb and confusing to change the lore thats been around for more than 30 years

[Darsh]

Originally posted by Onomax:

Originally posted by Darsh:

What about the Custodes changes, or is made worse, by there being women in them, other than the removal of it being a boys only club?

Can you articulate, any issue with this, that does not just boil down to. "There were already women that existed in the world, and I am mad that one of the boys only clubs is now mixed." Cause as fancy as ya'll make them that is the ONLY argument I actually see.

they are rewriting the lore for no reason. dont get me wrong, i like women in 40k. hell one of my top 3 characters is Saint Celestine. but the custodes first appeared in Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader, the original version of the game published in 1987 and for them to just change the lore for no good reason is confusing. Its like saying that the 2 lost primarchs are women. Primarchs being women is a cool concept but cant be cannon because Malcador warned the Big E to make the primarchs female so that it would make things more civilised but E tought he was making a joke and made them all male. (source: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EzLpghEbjYk https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2PnR6dHY7tM) So my point is that its dumb and confusing to change the lore thats been around for more than 30 years

Okay, but there are like a hundred other retcons, the lore of Warhammer changes wildly every SINGLE edition that the table top game has. So my question is, why is THIS the hill to die on about retcons, and in what way does this change harm anything about the lore?

I genuinely do not see anything that harms someones ability to enjoy the Custodes, unless the REASON someone liked the Custodes is because it's only men, If that's the only reason someone likes the Custodes, and everything else about the faction is irrelivent and they are ruined by women being added in?

Well that's a personal problem, feel free to write your own story if you don't like how the owners of this one choose to take it, sorry that's just your options.

[0nomax]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Originally posted by Onomax:

yes, i know how powerscaling is in 40k and from what families custodes come from but i didnt know that theyre sterile so thank you for clearing that up. but for them to be female still makes no sense, as you said the success rate for Custodians is also low and since the Emperor not being able to help make more its even lower. so my point is, from my understanding of the lore, logical because if the Imperium takes all of the kids from Royals, boys and girls, then there will be none left to continue the Royal line and make more royal kids because making kids takes time. Sure, Royals can live longer with surgeries that make them age slower (im pretty sure thoes exist in 40k) but thoes geezers aint getting any younger and their biological clocks are ticking. And it does not make lore any richer but confusing for rookies like me.

The Emperor made the process in the first place, the fact genesmiths are able to continue it at all is a miracle. Arguably, if the success rate was made lower over time then wouldn't one wish to get as many applicants through as possible?

They also don't take all the children from families I imagine, as that would result in no Royal lineage either. As even if women weren't Custodes and they took only the men, then what men remain if they take them all? (But yeah, surgeries do exist to extend lifetime).

I should also emphasize that by young, I mean young. Ages of like, 1-5 I think is what we have examples of?

that is a good point but irl the rate of decline accelerates around the age of 35 and the vast majority of women are essentially infertile by the time they reach 45 but men can still make babies after 45. so humor me and lets say that they take all the boys but leave the girls. and 20 years pass and its time for a new generation but there are no boys of that generation to make kids so Royals that are older like lets say in their 30-40s can be with thoes women in their 20s. So my point is that if they take the girls, some women are going to become too old to make a new generation or there wont be enough women.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Darsh:

Okay, but there are like a hundred other retcons, the lore of Warhammer changes wildly every SINGLE edition that the table top game has. So my question is, why is THIS the hill to die on about retcons, and in what way does this change harm anything about the lore?

I genuinely do not see anything that harms someones ability to enjoy the Custodes, unless the REASON someone liked the Custodes is because it's only men, If that's the only reason someone likes the Custodes, and everything else about the faction is irrelivent and they are ruined by women being added in?

Well that's a personal problem, feel free to write your own story if you don't like how the owners of this one choose to take it, sorry that's just your options.

Gonna name a few retcons, as this person may be coming in with genuine intent and has just been fed information by people who love to peddle rage

Horus's death has been changed. The Necrons were completely revamped in 2011. The Dark Eldar got rewritten in 2010, Space Marines got a massive lore overhaul in 2017. A year later the man meant to sleep forever came back (Guilliman). The timeline for Dark Imperium got retconned, the Votann got retconned to always be here (and this was recent recent), an MBT stronger and more practical than the Leman Russ has always just been here. And so many more. Whilst retcons aren't that fun, the change to Custodes is a pretty minor one. So making the fact that the retcon is the point of contention seems odd

[Darsh]

Originally posted by Onomax:

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

The Emperor made the process in the first place, the fact genesmiths are able to continue it at all is a miracle. Arguably, if the success rate was made lower over time then wouldn't one wish to get as many applicants through as possible?

They also don't take all the children from families I imagine, as that would result in no Royal lineage either. As even if women weren't Custodes and they took only the men, then what men remain if they take them all? (But yeah, surgeries do exist to extend lifetime).

I should also emphasize that by young, I mean young. Ages of like, 1-5 I think is what we have examples of?

that is a good point but irl the rate of decline accelerates around the age of 35 and the vast majority of women are essentially infertile by the time they reach 45 but men can still make babies after 45. so humor me and lets say that they take all the boys but leave the girls. and 20 years pass and its time for a new generation but there are no boys of that generation to make kids so Royals that are older like lets say in their 30-40s can be with thoes women in their 20s. So my point is that if they take the girls, some women are going to become too old to make a new generation or there wont be enough women.

OMFG are we using birthrates/fertility as an argument against recruiting babies, in a multi trillion person empire, with GENE VAT GROWABLE BABIES!?!

This conversation is just goofy.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Onomax:

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

The Emperor made the process in the first place, the fact genesmiths are able to continue it at all is a miracle. Arguably, if the success rate was made lower over time then wouldn't one wish to get as many applicants through as possible?

They also don't take all the children from families I imagine, as that would result in no Royal lineage either. As even if women weren't Custodes and they took only the men, then what men remain if they take them all? (But yeah, surgeries do exist to extend lifetime).

I should also emphasize that by young, I mean young. Ages of like, 1-5 I think is what we have examples of?

that is a good point but irl the rate of decline accelerates around the age of 35 and the vast majority of women are essentially infertile by the time they reach 45 but men can still make babies after 45. so humor me and lets say that they take all the boys but leave the girls. and 20 years pass and its time for a new generation but there are no boys of that generation to make kids so Royals that are older like lets say in their 30-40s can be with thoes women in their 20s. So my point is that if they take the girls, some women are going to become too old to make a new generation or there wont be enough women.

I believe we call the issue that comes up with that is incest

[w10-20-2000]

Sadly you waste your time. They will bring thousand of strawman arguments why it's good and why you are Jester\sexists\tourist for disliking it

It is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ and unneeded change that fails even at representing women properly. We have Adepta Sororitas who through sheer force of will bring Emperor's light, kill them by thousands, torture them or corrupt. Light that they carry will be picked up by the next sister, their fury brings fear to enemies, their loyalty brings courage to the hearts of men, their mercy brings hope to the weak !

And then you have femstodes. They are women by chance, strong artificiality and have such a low impact on overall 40k history that they have "always been" but nobody noticed =)

Sexist and bigot tremble from such progressive and well done women representation. Good think GW brings us stories we need

[0nomax]

Originally posted by Darsh:

Originally posted by Onomax:

they are rewriting the lore for no reason. dont get me wrong, i like women in 40k. hell one of my top 3 characters is Saint Celestine. but the custodes first appeared in Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader, the original version of the game published in 1987 and for them to just change the lore for no good reason is confusing. Its like saying that the 2 lost primarchs are women. Primarchs being women is a cool concept but cant be cannon because Malcador warned the Big E to make the primarchs female so that it would make things more civilised but E tought he was making a joke and made them all male. (source: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EzLpghEbjYk https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2PnR6dHY7tM) So my point is that its dumb and confusing to change the lore thats been around for more than 30 years

Okay, but there are like a hundred other retcons, the lore of Warhammer changes wildly every SINGLE edition that the table top game has. So my question is, why is THIS the hill to die on about retcons, and in what way does this change harm anything about the lore?

I genuinely do not see anything that harms someones ability to enjoy the Custodes, unless the REASON someone liked the Custodes is because it's only men, If that's the only reason someone likes the Custodes, and everything else about the faction is irrelivent and they are ruined by women being added in?

Well that's a personal problem, feel free to write your own story if you don't like how the owners of this one choose to take it, sorry that's just your options.

i know and i like the custodes for the lore, not because theyre all men but if we're just going to disregard the rules of who can be in what faction then whats the point? why not then just call them group 1 in gold armour, group 2 and so on so on... but each to their own

[0nomax]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Originally posted by Darsh:

Okay, but there are like a hundred other retcons, the lore of Warhammer changes wildly every SINGLE edition that the table top game has. So my question is, why is THIS the hill to die on about retcons, and in what way does this change harm anything about the lore?

I genuinely do not see anything that harms someones ability to enjoy the Custodes, unless the REASON someone liked the Custodes is because it's only men, If that's the only reason someone likes the Custodes, and everything else about the faction is irrelivent and they are ruined by women being added in?

Well that's a personal problem, feel free to write your own story if you don't like how the owners of this one choose to take it, sorry that's just your options.

Gonna name a few retcons, as this person may be coming in with genuine intent and has just been fed information by people who love to peddle rage

Horus's death has been changed. The Necrons were completely revamped in 2011. The Dark Eldar got rewritten in 2010, Space Marines got a massive lore overhaul in 2017. A year later the man meant to sleep forever came back (Guilliman). The timeline for Dark Imperium got retconned, the Votann got retconned to always be here (and this was recent recent), an MBT stronger and more practical than the Leman Russ has always just been here. And so many more. Whilst retcons aren't that fun, the change to Custodes is a pretty minor one. So making the fact that the retcon is the point of contention seems odd

ok thats quite a lot. i genuenly didnt know that there are THAT many