Champion pack DLC

[z1]

Actually salamander sniper isn't so bad. I hope devs will make good choice for Blood Angels dlc (If it's planned ofcourse).

And It will be so great if we get unigue voice acting for each champion. I''d really like to hear "For Lion" when I play as Dark Angel champion bulwark.

[Naus]

If I remember correctly, leaks - if those can be trusted - showed us that Blood Angels Champion Pack will be delivered in last season. 2-3 years from now.
xD

[Gaarthar]

I wish they simply made more of these champion packs. We will probably get more than one champion per class anyway, since there are more seasons than there are classes in the game.
I"ll be happy to see both RG and BA get an assault class champion, for example.

Best case scenario would've been multiple champions per chapter.

[Zaepheo]

True. However, they really should have made the Salamander Champion for Tactical, could of had a great skin for the Melta Rifle.... you know the chapter that is known for them Melta and Flamer use....

And the Heavy's Iron Halo Could have been replaced with the famous Torch/brazier they have on the power packs.

In fact it should have gone:
Assault: Blood Angels
Tactical: Salamander
Vanguard: Space Wolves
Sniper: Raven Guard

[Gaarthar]

Originally posted by Zaepheo:

True. However, they really should have made the Salamander Champion for Tactical, could of had a great skin for the Melta Rifle.... you know the chapter that is known for them Melta and Flamer use....

And the Heavy's Iron Halo Could have been replaced with the famous Torch/brazier they have on the power packs.

In fact it should have gone:
Assault: Blood Angels
Tactical: Salamander
Vanguard: Space Wolves
Sniper: Raven Guard

People keep selling Sniper-RG and its getting more and more annoying tbh.
RG = Assault. Just look at RG's Chapter Master Kayvaan Shrike.

I bet most of people who say it don't care about neither RG nor Snipers, and just push this as a convenient "well, snipers need to have something, let them have the stuff we don't care about, while we get the stuff that we're actually interested in".

As far as I know there are more seasons planned than there are classes in the game, so both RG and BA can get an Assault champion.
BA being a good fit doesn't mean RG isn't as good if not better of a fit for Assault!

[Zaepheo]

Originally posted by Gaarthar:

Originally posted by Zaepheo:

True. However, they really should have made the Salamander Champion for Tactical, could of had a great skin for the Melta Rifle.... you know the chapter that is known for them Melta and Flamer use....

And the Heavy's Iron Halo Could have been replaced with the famous Torch/brazier they have on the power packs.

In fact it should have gone:
Assault: Blood Angels
Tactical: Salamander
Vanguard: Space Wolves
Sniper: Raven Guard

People keep selling Sniper-RG and its getting more and more annoying tbh.
RG = Assault. Just look at RG's Chapter Master Kayvaan Shrike.

I bet most of people who say it don't care about neither RG nor Snipers, and just push this as a convenient "well, snipers need to have something, let them have the stuff we don't care about, while we get the stuff that we're actually interested in".

As far as I know there are more seasons planned than there are classes in the game, so both RG and BA can get an Assault champion.
BA being a good fit doesn't mean RG isn't as good if not better of a fit for Assault!

Fair points, I do agree they should do Champion skins for multiple classes and chapters, it's the easiest way to solve this kind of issue.

[ronin]

Originally posted by Gaarthar:

Originally posted by Zaepheo:

True. However, they really should have made the Salamander Champion for Tactical, could of had a great skin for the Melta Rifle.... you know the chapter that is known for them Melta and Flamer use....

And the Heavy's Iron Halo Could have been replaced with the famous Torch/brazier they have on the power packs.

In fact it should have gone:
Assault: Blood Angels
Tactical: Salamander
Vanguard: Space Wolves
Sniper: Raven Guard

People keep selling Sniper-RG and its getting more and more annoying tbh.
RG = Assault. Just look at RG's Chapter Master Kayvaan Shrike.

I bet most of people who say it don't care about neither RG nor Snipers, and just push this as a convenient "well, snipers need to have something, let them have the stuff we don't care about, while we get the stuff that we're actually interested in".

As far as I know there are more seasons planned than there are classes in the game, so both RG and BA can get an Assault champion.
BA being a good fit doesn't mean RG isn't as good if not better of a fit for Assault!

to be honest, you're the only person ive ever seen disagree with RG choice for sniper. do you have any better ideas for sniper, because you didnt suggest it in your post? everyone was more than happy and wanted BA assault with the wings, and since that was the case the already most obvious choice for the sneaky, stealthy class would be the only loyalist legion with the warpy ability to go invisible with the shadow jump. second of all, i seen the other guy vouch for space wolves for vanguard, and for that ive always seen white scars be pushed for the role. on the case of the salamanders however, im 100000% under the belief that sniper was the worst role out of absolutely any to have a champion skin for LOL.

[Harukage]

Because you can't just categorise any chapter with a single archetype. Unless its the masters of obvious - Imperial Fists. But that is a whole another story.
Pretty like 90% of RG pictures will have them using jump packs and claws, while all of their description picture them as stealth and hit and run oriented.
Chapters like Space Wolves and Iron Hands are even more difficult, because each of their companies have completely different specialisations. For example if you take the Sons Morkai company you might have a picture of sniper and vanguard Space Wolf. While the Firehowlers company love their flamers and meltas no less than your generic Salamander.

[Gaarthar]

Originally posted by ronin:

to be honest, you're the only person ive ever seen disagree with RG choice for sniper. do you have any better ideas for sniper, because you didnt suggest it in your post? everyone was more than happy and wanted BA assault with the wings, and since that was the case the already most obvious choice for the sneaky, stealthy class would be the only loyalist legion with the warpy ability to go invisible with the shadow jump.

I do agree Snipers aren't an easy class to come up with a perfectly fitting champion for.
For your point that RG has the ability to go invis - that was 30k stuff unfortunately, 40k RG uses tech to go stealthy, and in that vein almost any chapter would be an OK fit, since everyone can do it. I would probably go with Ultramarines, if anything, or Raptors.

The issue here isn't that RG doesn't fit Sniper - its that it would've been a missed opportunity, same as most Salamander fans respond to Sniper right now.
The few heroic figures RG has don't give strong RG-Sniper vibes - Corvus Corax in the past and Kayvaan Shrike in the present both prefer Lightning Claws, for example. Not to mention that guerrilla doesn't necessary equal ranged combat in 40k.

Originally posted by ronin:

second of all, i seen the other guy vouch for space wolves for vanguard, and for that ive always seen white scars be pushed for the role. on the case of the salamanders however, im 100000% under the belief that sniper was the worst role out of absolutely any to have a champion skin for LOL.

I would've been 10 times more supportive to the Salamander players right now, if most of them didn't try to push their "problem" onto others by going "let RG have it, there are few RG fans anyway. Who will even complain?"

[Gaarthar]

Originally posted by Harukage:

Pretty like 90% of RG pictures will have them using jump packs and claws, while all of their description picture them as stealth and hit and run oriented.

Pretty much this.
Ambush, stealth and guerrilla doesn't even necessary mean ranged combat in 40k, its just a tactical approach to mission completion.

I really hope RG will be after Salamanders in S4, where the devs mentioned a new melee weapon, which conveniently can be Claws.

[ronin]

Originally posted by Gaarthar:

Originally posted by Harukage:

Pretty like 90% of RG pictures will have them using jump packs and claws, while all of their description picture them as stealth and hit and run oriented.

Pretty much this.
Ambush, stealth and guerrilla doesn't even necessary mean ranged combat in 40k, its just a tactical approach to mission completion.

I really hope RG will be after Salamanders in S4, where the devs mentioned a new melee weapon, which conveniently can be Claws.

i do agree that RG do fit assault very well because of what you've mentioned, but like i said when we talk about who would be a better fit as a whole, who would most likely to be that class type of all i do believe it would be them. i love the salamanders, one of my top 3 favourite legion/chapters by a long shot but we have tactical, heavy and even vanguard with more fitting weapons and playstyles. i said in another comment somewhere that most chapters are known for fighting a certain way most of the time and when a class fits that criteria most then why not humour the massive majority that agree with it? id put RG as the top spot for sniper, iron hands second because of bias for the fulgrim assassination attempt that i liked reading, then as second for assault the claws would be awesome and id have no complaints about using that either but even then BA fit assault better. we know we'll have more than one champion per class regardless but i doubt we'll have two champions for one chapter and ultramarines already has one for heavy. and my argument against raptors is that out of everything they'd without a doubt be prioritising founding chapters for champion skins first and 90% of players would want that.. until it gets to the iron hands and we don't have a techmarine class haha.

i also agree with you that the things you listed don't necessarily mean ranged combat, but i think we'd both agree that most ambushes tend to be in ranged combat rather that melee for the advantage of them having much less chance to fight back against an unsuspected shot from afar than another marine or xenos swinging at them due to their increased senses and reactions. love the part in one of the animations where an alien (eldar?) turns invisible, attempts to sneak up on a brother from behind and the space marine still stabs him in the gut out of nowhere before the eldar can even raise their weapon to strike for example. i don't think most salamander players are just shoving it over to RG for the sake of it though, i see a lot of displeasure with the class choice itself because others make more sense.

[Harukage]

But "snipers"... ergh... Eliminators are not ambushers. They provide fire support and hunt priority targets.
It is actually Reivers aka "Vanguards" who do the ambushing, using grapnel launchers and gravchutes to aproach from least expected position, before unleashing shock grenades and going in close combat/dumping their bolt carbines.

[Gaarthar]

Originally posted by ronin:

why not humour the massive majority that agree with it?

Simple answer - because that massive majority aren't Raven Guard fans and don't play as Raven Guard. Why would they get to decide?

[ronin]

Originally posted by Gaarthar:

Originally posted by ronin:

why not humour the massive majority that agree with it?

Simple answer - because that massive majority aren't Raven Guard fans and don't play as Raven Guard. Why would they get to decide?

i havent seen one sniper unit that isnt RG ingame. genuinely, ill update this post if i see something else within the few hours i'll play today. besides, how do you know who is and who isn't a fan of them, and who plays as them? i'm sure you genuinely have no way of telling.

[ronin]

Originally posted by Harukage:

But "snipers"... ergh... Eliminators are not ambushers. They provide fire support and hunt priority targets.
It is actually Reivers aka "Vanguards" who do the ambushing, using grapnel launchers and gravchutes to aproach from least expected position, before unleashing shock grenades and going in close combat/dumping their bolt carbines.

so who would you rather be the sniper champion? i've still yet to be even given a suggestion on what else it could be than RG, in this thread included.

[Harukage]

Aplha Legion
But seriously, just do not take all that "champion" ♥♥♥♥ to heart. All of the chapters have all of the squads any way. Well not exactly, because not all of the chapter run Vanguiard units. But there are plenty of those.
But if you really need too have "Sniper", the current edition specifically mention that all of the old Wolf Scouts now field as Eliminators, along the rest of their younger Vanguard Marines brothers, who take roles of Reivers, Incursors, Suppressors and Infiltrators.