fps started hitching with Ultra textures, something's changed

[Jez]

so it was running fine,

5800x3d
4070ti Super
32GB RAM

then after the last hot fix or whatever Ultra textures isn't smooth, it hitches at random every 5-10-20 seconds or so

i tried turning SMT on & off no difference

also DLSS Frame Gen works at random, it's a bit complicated like sometimes it works or if it doesn't then it actually starts working if i hit the Windows key but when i go back it stops

maybe i need to run DDU . .

[Jez]

it's the DLSS Frame Gen it's a bit funny, like i run 120fps i have to cap it at 60, whereas in WH Darktide i cap it at 120 . . i duno if SM2 is glitchy, i know it's early still, it doesn't hitch anymore now it's not running full-on because of the cap

[Jez]

another thing, i couldn't get the frame cap in RTSS to work, i tried both the app exe files

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by Jez:

it's the DLSS Frame Gen it's a bit funny, like i run 120fps i have to cap it at 60, whereas in WH Darktide i cap it at 120 . . i duno if SM2 is glitchy, i know it's early still, it doesn't hitch anymore now it's not running full-on because of the cap

Maybe you go over your VRAM now due to some changes. The 4070TI super has only 16GB VRAM and if you use the 4K Texture Pack it will almost use it up already. Framegen needs even more VRAM, so maybe they changed something about VRAM management and now it trips your GPU over the edge and gives you stutter when you use framegen with high refresh rates. Just a guess. If you do not use the 4K texture pack I have no clue what could be the reason.

[Jez]

Originally posted by Zephyr:

Originally posted by Jez:

it's the DLSS Frame Gen it's a bit funny, like i run 120fps i have to cap it at 60, whereas in WH Darktide i cap it at 120 . . i duno if SM2 is glitchy, i know it's early still, it doesn't hitch anymore now it's not running full-on because of the cap

Maybe you go over your VRAM now due to some changes. The 4070TI super has only 16GB VRAM and if you use the 4K Texture Pack it will almost use it up already. Framegen needs even more VRAM, so maybe they changed something about VRAM management and now it trips your GPU over the edge and gives you stutter when you use framegen with high refresh rates. Just a guess. If you do not use the 4K texture pack I have no clue what could be the reason.

yes i think you're right, in-fact it is still hitching but less than 1/2 as much, but more-so when using the sniper - so i just run High textures now . . . thanks

[Sloths]

Originally posted by Jez:

it's the DLSS Frame Gen it's a bit funny, like i run 120fps i have to cap it at 60, whereas in WH Darktide i cap it at 120 . . i duno if SM2 is glitchy, i know it's early still, it doesn't hitch anymore now it's not running full-on because of the cap

I thought it was probably just what terminology they were using there. Fps cap and they were referring to fps the game runs at vs fps sent to the monitor. In another game with frame gen you tell it you want 120fps and in the background to it that means it renders it at 60fps and inserts the fake frame gen frames for 120fps output to the display

[Jez]

Originally posted by Sloths:

Originally posted by Jez:

it's the DLSS Frame Gen it's a bit funny, like i run 120fps i have to cap it at 60, whereas in WH Darktide i cap it at 120 . . i duno if SM2 is glitchy, i know it's early still, it doesn't hitch anymore now it's not running full-on because of the cap

I thought it was probably just what terminology they were using there. Fps cap and they were referring to fps the game runs at vs fps sent to the monitor. In another game with frame gen you tell it you want 120fps and in the background to it that means it renders it at 60fps and inserts the fake frame gen frames for 120fps output to the display

exactly, nVIDIA must've been distracted by their AI market, putting gaming 2nd, releaseing small upgrades every new gen now, just adding in more DLSS for better performance but worse quality, and selling RT at low frame rates . . boring stuff

[Sloths]

Originally posted by Jez:

Originally posted by Sloths:

I thought it was probably just what terminology they were using there. Fps cap and they were referring to fps the game runs at vs fps sent to the monitor. In another game with frame gen you tell it you want 120fps and in the background to it that means it renders it at 60fps and inserts the fake frame gen frames for 120fps output to the display

exactly, nVIDIA must've been distracted by their AI market, putting gaming 2nd, releaseing small upgrades every new gen now, just adding in more DLSS for better performance but worse quality, and selling RT at low frame rates . . boring stuff

What I don't like is the prices. Video card prices in general are getting crazy each generation.

[Jez]

Originally posted by Sloths:

Originally posted by Jez:

exactly, nVIDIA must've been distracted by their AI market, putting gaming 2nd, releaseing small upgrades every new gen now, just adding in more DLSS for better performance but worse quality, and selling RT at low frame rates . . boring stuff

What I don't like is the prices. Video card prices in general are getting crazy each generation.

yes my fellow it is dire news

[Jez]

Originally posted by Sloths:

Originally posted by Jez:

exactly, nVIDIA must've been distracted by their AI market, putting gaming 2nd, releaseing small upgrades every new gen now, just adding in more DLSS for better performance but worse quality, and selling RT at low frame rates . . boring stuff

What I don't like is the prices. Video card prices in general are getting crazy each generation.

i heard the 5080 is forecast to cost £1600

[Sloths]

Originally posted by Jez:

Originally posted by Sloths:

What I don't like is the prices. Video card prices in general are getting crazy each generation.

i heard the 5080 is forecast to cost £1600

Just insane. Absurd level pricing. I hope people just don't buy them, but I am pretty sure people will. Someone will.

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by Sloths:

Originally posted by Jez:

i heard the 5080 is forecast to cost £1600

Just insane. Absurd level pricing. I hope people just don't buy them, but I am pretty sure people will. Someone will.

Do not buy it then. Seriously, I bought a RTX 3070 in 2021 for inflated prices due to shortages, about 900 Euros :). Worst mistake in my life with hardware. In 2023 it could not keep up anymore with VRAM, because of its meagre 8 GB in some games I wanted, at 1440P mind you (now I have a 4K monitor). Then I had a choice. Buy a RTX 4070 TI for 900-950 Euros, again ridicuous 12 GB VRAM, same story again (no 16 GB super at the time, nice trick that) or buy a RTX 4080 for 1200 Euros.

Or wait... I could buy an AMD RX 7900XT for 820 Euros with 20 GB VRAM, more powerful except for Ray Tracing compared to a RTX 4070TI. The 20 GB VRAM came in seriously handy here with SM2 and the 4K texture pack. 16 GB VRAM are barely enough at 4K in some games/special settings, 20 GB VRAM are for now.

I am not saying this was cheap (quite a bit cheaper than Nvidia though), but at the time I bought it, the RX 7900XT was the far better offer for what I needed. Seen from the build quality (Sapphire model) it is the best GPU I ever owned and it gets within jumping distance of a RTX 4080 Super (often only 10-15 % difference, without RT) in power with more VRAM.

The drivers are at the very least every bit as good as Nvidias now (not exaggerating here) and overall more powerful (what you can do in the driver settings).

FSR is clearly worse than DLSS, I prefer using XeSS when available (mostly ok).

The RX 7900XT is enough to handle all games I have well enough and I will definitely not buy another GPU for 2-3 years more, I will compromise if necessary. For UE5 games heavier upscaling is essential (4K output), but which GPU does not need this :).

I am not telling you here that AMD GPUs would not require some compromise, but they are offering really very good and capable GPUs. Under 600-650$ (or 700 Euros) AMD generally offers the far better value. Look at the RX 7800Xt for example right now.

Just saying: Everyone complaining about Nvidia prices and then buying anyway does not help :). What is needed is breaking Nvidias dominance, at least a bit. Yes, for that AMD or Intel sure need to get it together as well, but there is no real justification for how the market looks today. All were hyped (and still are) by Ray tracing and such when objetcively the value for games is almost zero. There are very few games that really look much better with Ray Tracing and there are only 1600-2500$ GPUs that can truly handle it in such games atm then.

If you want change vote with your wallet :). There is really no strong reason to not buy an AMD GPU if the upgrade boosts your GPU power by 70-100% (less is not great).
Let us hope AMD/Intel can oppose Nvidias dominance in the near future. The new AMD GPUs are at least supposed to rival a RTX 4080 at much lower price levels. That would be good for mid-level GPUs. From there hopefully in a few years there will be real competition again. I would not mind buying an upper mid range GPU then for less money and a good deal more power than what I have now.

However, people need to take such offers. Hoping AMD/Intel will cause Nvidia to drop prices and then buy Nvidia anyway for cheaper helps only Nvidia with even more market share :).