Whats the best Relic Bolt Pistol and Chainsword?

[Dexta]

your opinion

[puRe]

Originally posted by MostlyPanda:

Originally posted by puRe:

There is ammo everywhere. I always take the the variant with more accuracy / range.
Like with the melta rifle. 20 shots are more than enough and the extended range is so much more helpful!

So accuracy bolt pistol (should be the first iirc) and fencing chainsword. The damage of the balanced one is nice, but with a speed of 1 it feels very unsatisfying!

you obviously dont play Ruthless

Actually I do with Vanguard, Bulwark and Sniper.
Next up is Heavy, but he's only rank 9, so I stick with substantial for the time being.

Heavy with the Heavy Bolter is the only class I can see running out of ammo on ruthless, but it's absolutely no problem as a Vanguard with the Instigator Bolt Carbine or Melta Rifle and the Sniper with the Bolt Sniper Rifle.

If you constantly run out of ammo you shoot to much and at targets that are probably not worth your primary ammo.

[Draescan]

Originally posted by puRe:

Originally posted by MostlyPanda:

you obviously dont play Ruthless

Actually I do with Vanguard, Bulwark and Sniper.
Next up is Heavy, but he's only rank 9, so I stick with substantial for the time being.

Heavy with the Heavy Bolter is the only class I can see running out of ammo on ruthless, but it's absolutely no problem as a Vanguard with the Instigator Bolt Carbine or Melta Rifle and the Sniper with the Bolt Sniper Rifle.

If you constantly run out of ammo you shoot to much and at targets that are probably not worth your primary ammo.

That's not accurate. The RNG can be really mean and if you get something like a neurothrope early on with a group that doesn't have their relic upgrades it can be a slog. Bulwark runs out of ammo on Neurothrope almost every single time unless you have a tactical, heavy, and/or a sniper on the squad. My tactical can sometimes if I'm using a crowd control weapon. This kind of sentiment is a bit obfuscatory of the truth of the matter. It CAN be okay, but there's a possibility that you can get messed over by RNG

I've had bosses multiple times before you even hit the 1/4 mark and get ammo crates, then see ZERO crates until the halfway mark even though I scour the map looking for boxes to roll through. Then I've had so many stims and ammo I thought I was playing on difficulty 1 if it wasn't for the boss and the med stim effectiveness.

[Seulin]

Offensive stat does nothing so ammo/accuracy and for melee simply speed/fence. Strengh is an empty stat

[Draescan]

Originally posted by Sol Invictus:

Offensive stat does nothing so ammo/accuracy and for melee simply speed/fence. Strengh is an empty stat

Can't be true since a 15 damage chainsword is seemingly killing faster than an 11.

EDIT: Always be open to being proven wrong.

[Seulin]

Originally posted by Draescan:

Originally posted by Sol Invictus:

Offensive stat does nothing so ammo/accuracy and for melee simply speed/fence. Strengh is an empty stat

Can't be true since a 15 damage chainsword is seemingly killing faster than an 11.

EDIT: Always be open to being proven wrong.

Today i went on lowest difficulty op with a base boltpistol and legendary one 2 vs 9 in offense, it took both weapons around 2 mags in bodyshot value to killa tyranid warrior (majoris) went to easy mode with multimelta - 5 shots to kill one, sam MMelta on 3-rd difficulty, same amount of shots... I might be wrong and there is SOME value to it, but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥;s baraley visible than

[Moon Punisher]

Mate, you will need to lvl them all anyway.

[Draescan]

Originally posted by Sol Invictus:

Originally posted by Draescan:

Can't be true since a 15 damage chainsword is seemingly killing faster than an 11.

EDIT: Always be open to being proven wrong.

Today i went on lowest difficulty op with a base boltpistol and legendary one 2 vs 9 in offense, it took both weapons around 2 mags in bodyshot value to killa tyranid warrior (majoris) went to easy mode with multimelta - 5 shots to kill one, sam MMelta on 3-rd difficulty, same amount of shots... I might be wrong and there is SOME value to it, but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥;s baraley visible than

Body shots, you mean the things that have like insane damage reduction?

[Fang]

Originally posted by Draescan:

Originally posted by Sol Invictus:

Today i went on lowest difficulty op with a base boltpistol and legendary one 2 vs 9 in offense, it took both weapons around 2 mags in bodyshot value to killa tyranid warrior (majoris) went to easy mode with multimelta - 5 shots to kill one, sam MMelta on 3-rd difficulty, same amount of shots... I might be wrong and there is SOME value to it, but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥;s baraley visible than

Body shots, you mean the things that have like insane damage reduction?

Body shots should be the default with headshot getting damage bonus, if you're right and its reverse that might explain why the gunplay on many weapons feels so bad.

[Erhes]

more damage on pistol = more damage from gunshoot

[Draescan]

Originally posted by Brother Iampinnedhere:

Originally posted by Draescan:

Body shots, you mean the things that have like insane damage reduction?

Body shots should be the default with headshot getting damage bonus, if you're right and its reverse that might explain why the gunplay on many weapons feels so bad.

Indeed it's the case. If you don't headshot things in this game you do almost nothing. I can't tell if it's actually damage resistance ( I just called it that because functionally it seems to be? ) or if it's just the headshot multiplier is INSANELY high.

[puRe]

Originally posted by Draescan:

Originally posted by Brother Iampinnedhere:

Body shots should be the default with headshot getting damage bonus, if you're right and its reverse that might explain why the gunplay on many weapons feels so bad.

Indeed it's the case. If you don't headshot things in this game you do almost nothing. I can't tell if it's actually damage resistance ( I just called it that because functionally it seems to be? ) or if it's just the headshot multiplier is INSANELY high.

You notice it heavily with the hormagaunts / termagaunts.
Even with a pistol a headshot is always a one hit kill, while bodyshots need 4-5 shots. Maybe even 6?
Going for headshots should always be the highest priority.

[Seulin]

Simple tyranid melee enemy - boltpistol on average diff- 2 -3 body shots, same with highest dmg one...2 - 9 dmg diff... same killtime.. It;s stupid, wrong, and bad