[ SPOILER ] So if you false claims about heresy you get promoted ?

[Huntard]

So Titus was proven innocent but still had to serve 100 years in BLACK SHIELD in the death watch

and the other who lied and who did not even respect the codex by snitching directly to the inquisition instead of his chaplain, was PROMOTED ?!

this is crazy stuff, is this common in the warhammer 40k universe or did the devs of space marine 2 not play the first one ?

it would have been much more logical for Titus to see Leandros become a servitor

[EmperorVolo]

Wasn't all information related to Titus erased so what is the proof? Wasn't the whole point that he was tainted by Chaos? Innocence in the 40K universe means NOTHING.

[Huntard]

Originally posted by Volo:

Wasn't all information related to Titus erased so what is the proof? Wasn't the whole point that he was tainted by Chaos? Innocence in the 40K universe means NOTHING.

so everybody can do false claims and never get punished ?

[C4NNED]

Leandros didnt really lie about Titus he just came to the usual assumptions and made the accusations based on the evidence he had at that time. Which people in that universe would come to as well when you get face blasted by the raw power of the warp.

[Magni]

It's 200 years between the first and second game. Titus didn't HAVE to serve as a Blackshield, he rather fell into it through a misunderstanding after a series of events with the specific inquisitor he ended up getting handed over.

Tl;dr: Inquisitor Thrax was a paranoid anti-space marine nut who kept Titus locked away in stasis between torture sessions, eventually fell to Chaos himself and got killed in an internal purge. He deleted evidence that the Ultramarines were trying to look for Titus before that. So when Titus was freed he got the impression that the chapter didn't want him back. This perception drove Titus to volunteer to serve in Deathwatch as a blackshield instead of trying to go back to the Ultramarines.

Leandros got kicked over to the Chaplain career path because his paranoia and overzealousness are an asset in that position rather than a liability.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by Leandros Adeptus Snitchus:

So Titus was proven innocent but still had to serve 100 years in BLACK SHIELD in the death watch

and the other who lied and who did not even respect the codex by snitching directly to the inquisition instead of his chaplain, was PROMOTED ?!

this is crazy stuff, is this common in the warhammer 40k universe or did the devs of space marine 2 not play the first one ?

it would have been much more logical for Titus to see Leandros become a servitor

One of the key tenants of the inquisition is "innocence proves nothing". Basically once you have been accused its extremely hard to even get above that suspicion :P

[Unexpected]

welcome to the grim dark future, life is not fair

[Huntard]

Originally posted by C4NNED:

Leandros didnt really lie about Titus he just came to the usual assumptions and made the accusations based on the evidence he had at that time. Which people in that universe would come to as well when you get face blasted by the raw power of the warp.

Leandros whine every single time about Titus not following the codex word by word

but Leandros completely violates the codex by not talking about it to his chaplain

Titus who already had 200 years of service at that time is disgraced by a young wanker who doesn't even have 100 years of service

and still being a real ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 200 years later...

it makes absolutely no sense

Leandros is personally angry with Titus from the first seconds of Space Marine 1 just for using the jetpack to destroy an Ork ship that was beating the balls of the Imperial guards on land

so any dumb child barely out of his mother's womb can accuse his superior without the slightest consequence

[donder172]

Originally posted by C4NNED:

Leandros didnt really lie about Titus he just came to the usual assumptions and made the accusations based on the evidence he had at that time. Which people in that universe would come to as well when you get face blasted by the raw power of the warp.

On the other hand, he went behind the Chaplain's back and went straight for the Inquisition. According to the Codex Astartes, which he seems to hold so high, it has to be brought up to the Chaplain.

[Nox]

Innocence proves nothing.

[Grove of Dreams]

Leandros being in the game has nothing to do with his religiosity (there's no evidence he was religious, and most space marines aren't), nor with petty office politics ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ (which his whining 100% was). It has everything to do with someone lacking talent at Saber Interactive and being desperate to have a tie-in with the first game. Can't be the hot guardswoman, she probably died the next day. Can't be a named Ultramarine, they blew that ticket on Calgar (since when do chapter masters show up for relatively routine Astartes ♥♥♥♥ like this?). Thus, Leandros is the only one left. It's stupid and a total misread of the audience.

[Ishan451]

Originally posted by Leandros Adeptus Snitchus:

So Titus was proven innocent but still had to serve 100 years in BLACK SHIELD in the death watch

Serving in the Deathwatch* is an honor and being a Black Shield a personal choice. Your chapter cannot make you go Black Shield.

In order to go Black Shield you need the permission of the Watch Commander of the Deathguard and you do so, because you do not wish to be associated with your Chapter in specific and the brotherhood of the Astartes in general.

Originally posted by Leandros Adeptus Snitchus:

and the other who lied and who did not even respect the codex by snitching directly to the inquisition instead of his chaplain, was PROMOTED ?!

200 years are a long time to earn accolates. For all we know Leandros got punished and maybe their punishment was to be closely overseen by a Chaplain. If said Chaplain felt they showed particular zeal for the teachings of the Astartes and that is what Leandros did, it would not be surprising to see Leandros raising to the position.

Originally posted by Leandros Adeptus Snitchus:

this is crazy stuff, is this common in the warhammer 40k universe

It is not uncommon. Chaplains are the most fanatical of the Astartes. It is kinda a requirement to become one to be a little coo coo for the coco pops, in order to get the position.

Leandros position, given who he was in the first one makes sense. As does Titus opting to leave the Ultramarines, and not wishing to associate with other Astartes in general, after the perceived betrayal.

So both fates are concurrent with the story and the characters from Space Marine 1, given there are several centuries in between.

Originally posted by donder172:

On the other hand, he went behind the Chaplain's back and went straight for the Inquisition. According to the Codex Astartes, which he seems to hold so high, it has to be brought up to the Chaplain.

As we do not have the full text it is absolute speculation if there isn't something in the Astartes that makes it Leandros duty to inform the Inquisition. Especially, since the Inquisition was involved in the matter in the first place.


Edit: *Thanks for correcting me. What can i say.. its midnight, i am tipsy.. it happens. (See post 22)

Also thanks for the points.. apparently someone felt like rewarding me with Steam points for a post they disagree with.

[Magni]

Originally posted by Grove of Dreams:

Leandros being in the game has nothing to do with his religiosity (there's no evidence he was religious, and most space marines aren't), nor with petty office politics ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ (which his whining 100% was). It has everything to do with someone lacking talent at Saber Interactive and being desperate to have a tie-in with the first game. Can't be the hot guardswoman, she probably died the next day. Can't be a named Ultramarine, they blew that ticket on Calgar (since when do chapter masters show up for relatively routine Astartes ♥♥♥♥ like this?). Thus, Leandros is the only one left. It's stupid and a total misread of the audience.

So from this we can conclude two things:
1. You don't have the slightest clue abotu what an Astartes Chaplain is.
2. You haven't paid any attention to the story at all, given it explains pretty well why Calgar gets involved.

[MrSoul]

Originally posted by Leandros Adeptus Snitchus:

Originally posted by Volo:

Wasn't all information related to Titus erased so what is the proof? Wasn't the whole point that he was tainted by Chaos? Innocence in the 40K universe means NOTHING.

so everybody can do false claims and never get punished ?

The entire ecclesiarchy falsely claims the Emperor is a god. Sooooo, take a guess.

And no, I ain’t no chaos worshiper, like the Wolves, I just remember the truth. Emps wanted a secular empire based on science and reasoning. Not this ♥♥♥♥ show.

[Garatgh Deloi]

There is conflicting lore about the Ultramarines, but most sources say that they aren't religious (they do not think the emperor was/is a god). They still have chaplains, but said chaplains job is to make sure the men under their care are spiritually healthy and adhere to the codex and the teachings of the primarch. Not to enforce the religion of the god emperor.

Plenty of space marine chapters do not see the emperor as a god. They generally all have "chaplains" anyway since its part of the codex astartes structure (they are basically the astartes version of a commissar, they just value the men under their care more).

No idea how primaris that have been trained outside of their chapter (by Cawl) would see the emperor (since Cawl is quite literately from the time period where the emperor forbade people from worshiping him)

[Mad Max]

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