Why wouldnt you take the Las Fusil on sniper?

[ItsMaam]

The difference is like night aand day compared to the other weapons.

the las penertrates everything
The last does high damage
the las is accurate
With talents its 1 or 2 shotting the majoris
Im getting AMMO aback which is essential

I dont see the point of the bolt action, or the stalker or a carbine

Change my mind

[Kay]

The bolt rifle starts with more ammunition (so you don't run out anyway, you never actually need the ammo refill), has faster shots so it's easier to hit warriors that are jumping about or teleporting Rubrics, and the difference in damage is pretty much non existent as far as I can tell

[SteelaiRizel]

Originally posted by ItsMaam:

The difference is like night aand day compared to the other weapons.

the las penertrates everything
The last does high damage
the las is accurate
With talents its 1 or 2 shotting the majoris
Im getting AMMO aback which is essential

I dont see the point of the bolt action, or the stalker or a carbine

Change my mind

You can't respond as fast as you can with the other weapons. That is it's biggest weakness. That being said, the Las Fusil is satisfying as hell.

[Viper Actual]

Personally I really like the penetrative capabilites of the Las Fusil, plus the fact that I don't have to reload mid-combat with it.

[Hawk]

One large magazine, no reload can fire as fast charge time upgrades depending, instant shot versus slight projectile lead, not sure if the bolt sniper can penetrate multiple targets without upgrades but Las can.

[[SCZ]Celestrian]

Originally posted by ItsMaam:

The difference is like night aand day compared to the other weapons.

the las penertrates everything
The last does high damage
the las is accurate
With talents its 1 or 2 shotting the majoris
Im getting AMMO aback which is essential

I dont see the point of the bolt action, or the stalker or a carbine

Change my mind

bolt action has basically infinite ammo.
reload pistol, gain 50% bolt action mag.
bolt action has no chargetime.

havent played the las maxed out. (bc the f___king server keep disconnecting)

[tank16365]

Probably because it only has 12 rounds?

[Nemm]

The Las Fusil has one Downside that can be really, really detrimental -> the charging time.
Yep, that's its only downside. Also, It seems to me that railings and other blocking objects attract the laser like magnets.

[Angarvin]

carbine has a marksman variant, which is accurate, also penetrates targets and still oneshots minoris enemies. it also has a lot more ammo (than fusil), which, when paired with cd on headshot kill and 2 seconds delayed uncloaking perks allows to maintain cloaking permanently (as long as you making those headshot kills).

i will also note that marksman carbine still has fairly quick ttk. obviously you're not going to be downing zoanthropes in 2-3 shots like you do with fusil, but the TIME to down one will still be comparable (as long as you're landing headshots) to the las.

[eDo]

Originally posted by ItsMaam:

The difference is like night aand day compared to the other weapons.

the las penertrates everything
The last does high damage
the las is accurate
With talents its 1 or 2 shotting the majoris
Im getting AMMO aback which is essential

I dont see the point of the bolt action, or the stalker or a carbine

Change my mind

it depends on how you want to approach the fights.
I personally find the lasers boring and not satisfying.

With the right weapon skills and class perks you can play a mid-close combat range bolt sniper with almost zero cloak cooldown

and thus make the fight very aggressive-passive

quick tap with the bolt sniper in close range combat with parry tapping +cloak for a quick escape and then straight back into the fight.

+bolt headshots stagger on majoris so good - tyranids or chaos it doesnt matter

I enjoy mastering that more than LAZ or "Melta" with other classes

Group composition is nice with tactical, vanguard or heavy (vanguard or heavy also with CDR for the group and you as a sniper provide them 10% cdr through per/hs-kill and you have additional 5% CDR per headshot kill anyway - btw this also includes miniros headshot kills)

The tactical with his heavy bolt gun snacks on the minoris, how quickly do you think he can keep his scan up for the next pack of majoris doer terminus enemies.

And suddenly it makes sense to think about the respective perks for weapons and classes, which means questioning the interaction between your class and the team composition apart from "Laz" and "Melta"

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[Nova Cascade]

I've never had issues with the Bolt. 2 shots, they go red and usually a teammate will finish them off. Usually end up with over 8-10k ranged damage because my focus ends up being disabling the enemy's Majoris troops which is super beneficial in my opinion.

[Midnight]

You use stalker bolter or marksman carbine to do better in close range fights obviously.

With Las you could always spam stealth but then all of that aggro and pressure is going towards your teammates.

[BIG E.]

Originally posted by SteelaiRizel:

Originally posted by ItsMaam:

The difference is like night aand day compared to the other weapons.

the las penertrates everything
The last does high damage
the las is accurate
With talents its 1 or 2 shotting the majoris
Im getting AMMO aback which is essential

I dont see the point of the bolt action, or the stalker or a carbine

Change my mind

You can't respond as fast as you can with the other weapons. That is it's biggest weakness. That being said, the Las Fusil is satisfying as hell.

If you don't have brain damage and use either the RoF version OR take the charge speed from the perks, its very fast.

I can react to anything with las fusil. I can roll and snap headshots at any range.

0 reason to use bolt sniper for now. Damage difference is just too much. Why would i use bolt sniper when i can solo any mission with las fusil.

They need to make it so bolt weapons have their own gimmick. Right now bolt weapons don't have anything they do better than say, melta, plasma, las fusil etc.

[Dango]

I do have the Las maxed with all skill tree done on it... But guess what ? I do play with other weapon too. Anyway, even with Las, I don't care about getting the most damages or special kills. What would I do with that ? Both my sniper and weapons are max lvled anyway.

So is it a must to play Las ? Nope. Just like I've seen heavy with bolter wrecking everything.

It may be an unpopular stance, but I'm here to have fun and good play, not to have eyegasm by looking at my 16K damage at the end of the mission by the power of meta. 16K damage I can do with Bulwark by just playing normaly, anyway.

https://ibb.co/bHjc2x1

If I can do that with a Bulwark using pistol bolter... A sniper with bolter can do better. You can go without Melta / Las meta and have fun. That's as simple as it is

[Bovril Brigadier]

Lasfusil ain't that great in PvP and bolt action is actually a lot better than it there. PvE its of course the other way round.

[Hedzik]

Originally posted by ItsMaam:

The difference is like night aand day compared to the other weapons.

the las penertrates everything
The last does high damage
the las is accurate
With talents its 1 or 2 shotting the majoris
Im getting AMMO aback which is essential

I dont see the point of the bolt action, or the stalker or a carbine

Change my mind

Because it's boring....