Dont you realise it Saber (enemy health reduction)?

[Grim@FU_BARRACUDA]

If you reduce the health of enemys, the metla players will kill even faster. That means all others with bolt guns will run behind meltas, watching how they run the show alone.

I cant believe that a whole team is not able to make this simple conclusion or you simply dont care about it. Maybe all in your studio are melta players?

Oh boy, you should think more then twice about what you do here. Befor you turn this game into a melta gun simulator mickey mouse show ....

Also think very good about changing veteran difficulty please, rather nerf AoD a bit instead and add another diff for the profis if they need it ..,

An FOV slider is no question anymore in 2024, it is an absolute must and has to be standard by now. We have 2024, not 1995 anymore !!!

[Princess Luna]

Emperor said no FOV

https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/84-message-to-the-community-a-first-q-a

[BenShinobi]

melta already wrecks minoris enemies in one shot. Any reduction in health is going to be less impactful on the melta than it would be for bolters, so overall it would bring them a little closer to the meltas performance.

[Sister of Battle]

eh still think bolters are weak.

nerfing the enemy isn't gonna make it less weak in comparison to melta, its just gonna make it able to somewhat kill enemies better but melta will reign even more supremely as it'll kill ♥♥♥♥ it once occasionally struggled with and needed a couple of shots to do them in, now it'll just do em in instantly.

Bolters either need a buff, or Melta needs a nerf. Melee on the other hand is hilarious, definitely needs a buff. You can see it in PvP, a lot of problems xD

[Chaos]

Melta already one shot almost everything, it can't get any worst than that lol.

[Netaris]

Originally posted by Xenohunter617:

If you reduce the health of enemys, the metla players will kill even faster. That means all others with bolt guns will run behind meltas, watching how they run the show alone.

Not really, meltas are good for crowd control, but not so much for single target damages. What make the real power of the meltas isn't the amount of damages much, but their AoE (bigger with reach) and its ability to mass stagger enemies. So what truely make meltas more powerfull is increasing its AoE or stagger ability.

[Doomvora]

Honestly, melta is more annoying than anything, on ruthless it ruins parries constantly and gets people hit/killed.

[Netaris]

Originally posted by Doomvora:

Honestly, melta is more annoying than anything, on ruthless it ruins parries constantly and gets people hit/killed.

Meltas are good when you're joined by low level / low skill players, it give you great crowd control abilities to carry the fight easier. It's also a very good weapon for vanguards, as you can blast enemies with it just after using your grapple (it deal extra damages this way), it give this class a very good ability to take down majoris / extremis and large chunks of minoris.

[UPGRAYEDD]

+1 BUFF BOLTERS

[Friedrich Nix]

I like Meltas!

[Doomvora]

Originally posted by Netaris:

Meltas are good when you're joined by low level / low skill players, it give you great crowd control abilities to carry the fight easier. It's also a very good weapon for vanguards, as you can blast enemies with it just after using your grapple (it deal extra damages this way), it give this class a very good ability to take down majoris / extremis and large chunks of minoris.

I'm well aware as to when melta's are good, but on ruthless more often than not they're just an annoyance.

[Grim@FU_BARRACUDA]

Originally posted by BenShinobi:

melta already wrecks minoris enemies in one shot. Any reduction in health is going to be less impactful on the melta than it would be for bolters, so overall it would bring them a little closer to the meltas performance.

Minoris???

Who speaks about minoris enemys? I speak about being able to stunlock 10 Majoris or Extremis at once and kill them all in 1-5 shots with the meltas. While i stand next to it with my bolt rifle, being happy if i can bring down only one Majoris enemy in the same time ...

Nothing will bring these weapons closer together, but they should finally buff the bolt weapons, instead of making the game even easier fpr melta users.

Originally posted by Netaris:

Originally posted by Xenohunter617:

If you reduce the health of enemys, the metla players will kill even faster. That means all others with bolt guns will run behind meltas, watching how they run the show alone.

Not really, meltas are good for crowd control, but not so much for single target damages. What make the real power of the meltas isn't the amount of damages much, but their AoE (bigger with reach) and its ability to mass stagger enemies. So what truely make meltas more powerfull is increasing its AoE or stagger ability.

Its funny what you said ...

"meltas are good for crowd control, but not so much for single target damages"

Because witht he meltas you can kill 10 "singletargets" at once in less time then a bolt rifle can kill one target. Because the melta guys dont really have to aim, they just hold their weapons roughly in the direction of the enemys and spam that thing like there is no tomorrow. Since they stunlock eveything, they are never in dnager. The bolt rifle guys on the other hand need to aim for head, and on top of it need to adjust for enemy movment and also have to dodge the enemys attacks, wich means they have to pause their own attack aswell. The melta bobs, never have to do any of these things, no matter if dealing with single or multiple enemys, so they will always be better, no matter what situation, except boss fights or long range engaments wich do not really play a role, since oyu have to move close anyways for your executions ...

[Netaris]

Originally posted by Xenohunter617:

Its funny what you said ...

"meltas are good for crowd control, but not so much for single target damages"

Because witht he meltas you can kill 10 "singletargets" at once in less time then a bolt rifle can kill one target. Because the melta guys dont really have to aim, they just hold their weapons roughly in the direction of the enemys and spam that thing like there is no tomorrow. Since they stunlock eveything, they are never in dnager. The bolt rifle guys on the other hand need to aim for head, and on top of it need to adjust for enemy movment and also have to dodge the enemys attacks, wich means they have to pause their own attack aswell. The melta bobs, never have to do any of these things, no matter if dealing with single or multiple enemys, so they will always be better, no matter what situation, except boss fights or long range engaments wich do not really play a role, since oyu have to move close anyways for your executions ...

Well, that's exactly what I've said, it's good for crowd control. Obviously a melta will melt everything in front of the user and yes, you can stunlock and slowly kill a great amount of majoris at the same time, but that's crowd control too.

But it lack reach, the real limitation of the melta is reach, if an enemy shoot at you from a distance, you'll have to close the gap first. A bolter don't have this problem and that's why I prefer bolters as they're way better to be able to quickly engage ranged targets. The heavy bolters are especially good at that btw.

[Nobody watches your TTV]

Originally posted by Flesh Tearer Brutus:

eh still think bolters are weak.

nerfing the enemy isn't gonna make it less weak in comparison to melta, its just gonna make it able to somewhat kill enemies better but melta will reign even more supremely as it'll kill ♥♥♥♥ it once occasionally struggled with and needed a couple of shots to do them in, now it'll just do em in instantly.

Bolters either need a buff, or Melta needs a nerf. Melee on the other hand is hilarious, definitely needs a buff. You can see it in PvP, a lot of problems xD

Melta is very mid when it comes to boss killing, or completely useless in case of helldrake.
Bolt Rifle(with GL) and Sniper has no serious issue here.

What is needed is buff to the actually bad bolt weapons, such as the smg-like carbine.

[Nobody watches your TTV]

Originally posted by Netaris:

Originally posted by Xenohunter617:

Its funny what you said ...

"meltas are good for crowd control, but not so much for single target damages"

Because witht he meltas you can kill 10 "singletargets" at once in less time then a bolt rifle can kill one target. Because the melta guys dont really have to aim, they just hold their weapons roughly in the direction of the enemys and spam that thing like there is no tomorrow. Since they stunlock eveything, they are never in dnager. The bolt rifle guys on the other hand need to aim for head, and on top of it need to adjust for enemy movment and also have to dodge the enemys attacks, wich means they have to pause their own attack aswell. The melta bobs, never have to do any of these things, no matter if dealing with single or multiple enemys, so they will always be better, no matter what situation, except boss fights or long range engaments wich do not really play a role, since oyu have to move close anyways for your executions ...

Well, that's exactly what I've said, it's good for crowd control. Obviously a melta will melt everything in front of the user and yes, you can stunlock and slowly kill a great amount of majoris at the same time, but that's crowd control too.

But it lack reach, the real limitation of the melta is reach, if an enemy shoot at you from a distance, you'll have to close the gap first. A bolter don't have this problem and that's why I prefer bolters as they're way better to be able to quickly engage ranged targets. The heavy bolters are especially good at that btw.

I like that Bolt Rifle(GL) has some of the best of both worlds, alongside a good amount of burst damage from shooting all grenades at once.

I have a feeling that people who complain about underpowered bolt weapons were using the actually bad ones, such as the smg, lmg, "auto" variant.

[BenShinobi]

Originally posted by Xenohunter617:

Originally posted by BenShinobi:

melta already wrecks minoris enemies in one shot. Any reduction in health is going to be less impactful on the melta than it would be for bolters, so overall it would bring them a little closer to the meltas performance.

Minoris???

Who speaks about minoris enemys? I speak about being able to stunlock 10 Majoris or Extremis at once and kill them all in 1-5 shots with the meltas. While i stand next to it with my bolt rifle, being happy if i can bring down only one Majoris enemy in the same time ...

Nothing will bring these weapons closer together, but they should finally buff the bolt weapons, instead of making the game even easier fpr melta users.

They're hardly going to lower the health that much that the melta will kill faster. It's so high damage that you'd need a big adjustment to health in order to make it kill in fewer shots. Bolters however will notice a difference. And as I said it will only have a small difference, but I'd rather them make incremental changes than over-correct. They're not against improving the bolters anyway.