Your opinion on the Salamanders?

[Lupercal]

I like the Salamander for how moral they manage to be in the current timeline, however I dislike their views on themselves and the chapter.

Valuing human lives is nice, sacrificing 1 astartes for 1 human is dumb. An astartes can do so much more by being alive than the average citizen.

The resources that go into making them, the huge asset that they are as a military unit is not something that should be so easily expendable for regular people who'll outbreed any losses in the galactical war.

[soviergn]

Originally posted by Draescan:

It's not about sacrificing an astartes for a human. They believe the greatest way to venerate the Emperor of Mankind and the Imperium, is to protect its people. They sacrifice themselves not to save one human, but to bolster the will of mankind for those who outlive them. Yes, they might perish, and probably will, but the mortals that outlive them are given a resolve beyond that which they would normally have from seeing one of the Emperor's angels.

One of the angels valued " THEM " In this universe that's a powerful thing.

There's a bit of confusion though and I blame most of the modern 40k media. They're most in touch with their humanity yes, but humanity aren't "good" in this universe. No one is ( ♥♥♥♥ off Tau you suck ) to me the Salamanders are representative of the slivers of hope you see in this universe so that the grim-darkness of the future doesn't become desensitizing. You need little glimmers to avoid the dark stuff losing its effectiveness. Therefore, one could say they're one of the keystone pieces holding up the universe's dark tones.

Not the Tau though, Tau can jump off a cliff.

The Exodite was the best show because it was just an hour of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Tau getting rocked.

[Ichi-niiPL]

They are alright for little green lizards but Space Wolves are the best ^^

[Grim@FU_BARRACUDA]

This is an extremely good question that may have more far-reaching consequences than most people think. Most people just think "yes the Salamanders are the good ones because they care about normal people and humanity itself and i want to be like that" which is of course completely obvious and completely okay. But the much more exciting question is, what does this actually say about the Empire and the other space marine chapters and about statements like "If the war is to end one day, there will no longer be a place for the space marines in this world"?. I'm curious who knows who made the last statement, which I, as a lore noob, could only reproduce in spirit but not verbatim xD

[Candidead]

What they stand for is great, the lore behind them is cringey though. Seems immature for a leader to run away and hide artifacts to make their followers find. Why don't you just lead them, dude, that's your responsibility.

[Zogtar]

Originally posted by Maldito Esqueleto:

Originally posted by Judge Caveman:

Salamanders protect their brothers, but, as a rule of the 40k satire, nobody in 40k is good.

*The Salamanders basically saved humanity from the Beast. They're very commendable.

WH40k is not satire since 2-3rd edition. All that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about Thetcher etc. is just made up by "fans".

"Waaagh!" is my only response.

[(￣ヮ￣)]

Originally posted by Lupercal:

I like the Salamander for how moral they manage to be in the current timeline, however I dislike their views on themselves and the chapter.

Valuing human lives is nice, sacrificing 1 astartes for 1 human is dumb. An astartes can do so much more by being alive than the average citizen.

The resources that go into making them, the huge asset that they are as a military unit is not something that should be so easily expendable for regular people who'll outbreed any losses in the galactical war.

This post was written by piss yellow power fingers from a member of a certain notoriously pragmatic chapter. Yours truly, the Marines Malevolent.

Originally posted by Shield:

they believe to the letter that astartes were created to better humanity so therefore they'd be failing themselves and the emperor if they dont do everything possible to protect humanity

they are not pragmatic, so they dont care if 1 astartes > 1 human

i like them quite a bit

+1. This

[Grim@FU_BARRACUDA]

Originally posted by Candidead:

What they stand for is great, the lore behind them is cringey though. Seems immature for a leader to run away and hide artifacts to make their followers find. Why don't you just lead them, dude, that's your responsibility.

Sometimes leaders choose to do things that make their followers question themselves. Sometimes they do this not just to test their loyalty, but because they want their followers to question themselves so deeply that they even question whether they should really follow their leaders. Not always just to test their belief in the cause itself, but to get them to find their own paths and dreams. To the same extent, this is also a kind of reflection for the leader himself when the people who follow him question what they do in his name.

That's what really makes a good leader. Not only does he question himself, but he also expects to be questioned by his people and respects their insights and decisions to a certain extent, as long as it serves the common good and does not harm it. But even then, he respects the fact that they are human and in a certain way, have had the same difficult path as himself and all other people. Good parents do that aswell sometimes ... ;-)

[Mono]

Salamanders are nothing but a little goody two-shoes.
The Empire needs to fight evil with even more evil. Let the boy scouts handle selling cookies.

[Leafarasta]

Salamanders are bottom tier (my feelings, your feelings, i like men)
Black Templars is the best chapter

[Marmarmar34]

Originally posted by Sergeant.Tanthius:

Salamanders are a great chapter! The Blood Ravens guard many of their chapter relics.

I lol'd

Originally posted by Leafarasta:

i like men

Dude, same

[VulkanNo1]

Many of you guys forget that the Salamanders do go and crusade worlds. But it does not define them, they are thicker. Their character is thicker. However there are very good analysis's here. But I feel that there are two types of people who like the Salamanders. the first, because of the cool factor, the second for the deep meaning.

Personally I'm both, with the added bonus of having their preference for rage.

[Lupercal]

Originally posted by VulkanNo1:

Many of you guys forget that the Salamanders do go and crusade worlds. But it does not define them, they are thicker. Their character is thicker. However there are very good analysis's here. But I feel that there are two types of people who like the Salamanders. the first, because of the cool factor, the second for the deep meaning.

Personally I'm both, with the added bonus of having their preference for rage.

Rage? May I introduce you to our glorious bloody chapter?

And I mean the Blood Angels

[VulkanNo1]

Originally posted by Lupercal:

Originally posted by VulkanNo1:

Many of you guys forget that the Salamanders do go and crusade worlds. But it does not define them, they are thicker. Their character is thicker. However there are very good analysis's here. But I feel that there are two types of people who like the Salamanders. the first, because of the cool factor, the second for the deep meaning.

Personally I'm both, with the added bonus of having their preference for rage.

Rage? May I introduce you to our glorious bloody chapter?

And I mean the Blood Angels

You fool, The context and development of such rage is vastly different.

The blood angels may at anytime succumb to the Black rage. Salamanders hold their rage, It builds like a growing weight.

Their rage is driven to passion by the needless suffering of those who they are charged to protect. It is when this Rage breaks, the Salamanders turn with as much rage as the World Eaters, but the methodical accuracy of the Emperors children. ( Pre Fall )

Anger and rage mean separate things. They hold a different moral weight.

[Lupercal]

Originally posted by VulkanNo1:

Originally posted by Lupercal:

Rage? May I introduce you to our glorious bloody chapter?

And I mean the Blood Angels

You fool, The context and development of such rage is vastly different.

The blood angels may at anytime succumb to the Black rage. Salamanders hold their rage, It builds like a growing weight.

Their rage is driven to passion by the needless suffering of those who they are charged to protect. It is when this Rage breaks, the Salamanders turn with as much rage as the World Eaters, but the methodical accuracy of the Emperors children. ( Pre Fall )

Anger and rage mean separate things. They hold a different moral weight.

My blind cousin.

No one is more noble than the sons of Sanguinius, even with that flaw, even with that shame, they hold fast embodying what is best in their father and humanity.

They're truly the Emperor's most loyal angels, holding back the darkness without and within.

[VulkanNo1]

Do not think me a heretic, or a traitor. Was it not the Sanguine that Died for our future. Did he not Hold at the eternity gates. I merely remark as the contextual and moral difference of the sauce of the rage.

The Blood Angels are artists and poets.
We Salamanders are forge smiths, we craft to make the world a better place.

We all have our place in the Imperium, When we forget it, we fall.