Your opinion on the Salamanders?

[Lupercal]

I like the Salamander for how moral they manage to be in the current timeline, however I dislike their views on themselves and the chapter.

Valuing human lives is nice, sacrificing 1 astartes for 1 human is dumb. An astartes can do so much more by being alive than the average citizen.

The resources that go into making them, the huge asset that they are as a military unit is not something that should be so easily expendable for regular people who'll outbreed any losses in the galactical war.

[Zogtar]

Salamanders protect their brothers, but, as a rule of the 40k satire, nobody in 40k is good.

*The Salamanders basically saved humanity from the Beast. They're very commendable.

[Shield]

they believe to the letter that astartes were created to better humanity so therefore they'd be failing themselves and the emperor if they dont do everything possible to protect humanity

they are not pragmatic, so they dont care if 1 astartes > 1 human

i like them quite a bit

[Maldito Esqueleto]

Originally posted by Judge Caveman:

Salamanders protect their brothers, but, as a rule of the 40k satire, nobody in 40k is good.

*The Salamanders basically saved humanity from the Beast. They're very commendable.

WH40k is not satire since 2-3rd edition. All that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about Thetcher etc. is just made up by "fans".

[Sergeant.Tanthius]

Salamanders are a great chapter! The Blood Ravens guard many of their chapter relics.

[EisenhowerShower]

Originally posted by Maldito Esqueleto:

Originally posted by Judge Caveman:

Salamanders protect their brothers, but, as a rule of the 40k satire, nobody in 40k is good.

*The Salamanders basically saved humanity from the Beast. They're very commendable.

WH40k is not satire since 2-3rd edition. All that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about Thetcher etc. is just made up by "fans".

If you look at current 40k, and still don't see the satire, you may be blind.

The setting may not wink at the audience like it used to, but the setting is still meant to be stupid.

[VulkanNo1]

You have to remember that these are super human weapons. they are more than likely well aware of their own inbuilt desire to protect at all cost. As well as this, it is arguable to say that the emperor designed the Salamanders, Dragon warriors to be this way specifically.

I will also preface this with the knowledge that before finding Vulkan, the Salamanders where suicidal in their protection of the innocent or their task. this is why they were never a large legion.

After Finding Vulkan their primal rage which rivalled that of the world eaters was tempered ( ;) ) And they began to carefully select where and when they enter that point of no return.

However this is all noise. the real value of the Salamanders is in their humanity, Vulkan let them keep their ties to their families because he knew that they needed a reason to stay alive, and a reason to die,

This gives the Salamanders a grounded character far beyond that of other Legions / Chapters. This too is represented in their traditions, lowering their dead into larva. The Burning walk, the Trials of Vulkan, The Tome of Fire, The skill of black smiting. the Ritual scaring of their flesh. Each and every part of it is formed from a full bodied sense of justice. of Nobility, Of Self sacrifice.

Vulkan specifically used the wisdom given to him by his father ( His proper father ) to create a creed to give the salamanders the proper judgement they needed to survive in a cruel world. think of him more like a poet king than a philosopher.

Long story short, the Salamanders are the best boi's.

[VulkanNo1]

Originally posted by EisenhowerShower:

Originally posted by Maldito Esqueleto:

If you look at current 40k, and still don't see the satire, you may be blind.

The setting may not wink at the audience like it used to, but the setting is still meant to be stupid.

It is satire, however its satire from the 1980's. What they thought extreme back then is almost normal now.

[Shield]

Originally posted by Maldito Esqueleto:

Originally posted by Judge Caveman:

Salamanders protect their brothers, but, as a rule of the 40k satire, nobody in 40k is good.

*The Salamanders basically saved humanity from the Beast. They're very commendable.

WH40k is not satire since 2-3rd edition. All that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about Thetcher etc. is just made up by "fans".

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[Uncle David]

I saw one of them on that warhammer+ streaming show, it was good. I didn't know much about them previously.

[Lazon]

Well, that's why you aren't a Salamander then. From all I've heard and seen, Salamanders take the idea that they are there FOR HUMANITY to the extreme. The other Space Marines see themselves above normal humans, sometimes, even see themselves as something non-human. The Salamanders see themselves as the tool to protect and save humans, and it doesn't matter if they are a civilian or a general. Probably, in their minds, a Space Marine should be able to handle themselves, and doesn't need to be saved, whereas a civilian can't, and therefore does.

[Firpo]

"Protect the weak!"

[VulkanNo1]

based

[Husbando]

Overrated and misunderstood because everyone thinks they are good guys


THERE ARE NO GOOD GUYS!

[Draescan]

It's not about sacrificing an astartes for a human. They believe the greatest way to venerate the Emperor of Mankind and the Imperium, is to protect its people. They sacrifice themselves not to save one human, but to bolster the will of mankind for those who outlive them. Yes, they might perish, and probably will, but the mortals that outlive them are given a resolve beyond that which they would normally have from seeing one of the Emperor's angels.

One of the angels valued " THEM " In this universe that's a powerful thing.

There's a bit of confusion though and I blame most of the modern 40k media. They're most in touch with their humanity yes, but humanity aren't "good" in this universe. No one is ( ♥♥♥♥ off Tau you suck ) to me the Salamanders are representative of the slivers of hope you see in this universe so that the grim-darkness of the future doesn't become desensitizing. You need little glimmers to avoid the dark stuff losing its effectiveness. Therefore, one could say they're one of the keystone pieces holding up the universe's dark tones.

Not the Tau though, Tau can jump off a cliff.

[VulkanNo1]

Originally posted by Draescan:

It's not about sacrificing an astartes for a human. They believe the greatest way to venerate the Emperor of Mankind and the Imperium, is to protect its people. They sacrifice themselves not to save one human, but to bolster the will of mankind for those who outlive them. Yes, they might perish, and probably will, but the mortals that outlive them are given a resolve beyond that which they would normally have from seeing one of the Emperor's angels.

One of the angels valued " THEM " In this universe that's a powerful thing.

There's a bit of confusion though and I blame most of the modern 40k media. They're most in touch with their humanity yes, but humanity aren't "good" in this universe. No one is ( ♥♥♥♥ off Tau you suck ) to me the Salamanders are representative of the slivers of hope you see in this universe so that the grim-darkness of the future doesn't become desensitizing. You need little glimmers to avoid the dark stuff losing its effectiveness. Therefore, one could say they're one of the keystone pieces holding up the universe's dark tones.

Not the Tau though, Tau can jump off a cliff.

Very good analysis