What did you do to ruthless mode?

[Mr Butterfly]

I'm sorry guys but difficulty tuning should only be for the other one.
I'm running around with a lvl 15 and green weapon and It's a walking simulator now.
No enemies. no intensity, the "massive enemy waves" have like 50 mobs,

Look at what they did to my boy.

Ruthless was sweaty palms, can't miss a parry or ill be half health, quick switch to the range enemies harassing us, then back to melee. Now im just running around with not a care in the world.

It's worst offense, It's boring.

No more last stand moments. Nothing palpitating. This mode was never meant to be played at low level and ungeared.

Please do something about the director.

A loving fan.

[[Blood Raven] Cyrus]

Escrito originalmente por BT Emperor's Champion:

its not even lag based decision because 30% of the map you walk around with 2-3 nids staring at you. That downtime is too much.

This is an active warzone and we're operating behind ENEMY lines, not just any enemy btw, Tyranids and Chaos. They should be on us more at Ruthless, they should be 'ruthless' basically xD

i mean thats what we had befor patch

[LegionXNX]

Escrito originalmente por Blood Raven Cyrus:

Escrito originalmente por BT Emperor's Champion:

we also need more bosses, like 2-3 perhaps instead of 1. This is ruthless, not substantial, we need more enemies.

well apprantly casuals are saying sub is now harder then ruthless this patch even tho the game was easier befor

Casuals will complain about anything when a slight surge of difficulty is forced.

It was not difficulty it was just bullet sponging and lack of damage from our weapons but casuals did not know what they wanted prior to this patch.

[Brigs]

Escrito originalmente por Blood Raven Cyrus:

Escrito originalmente por BT Emperor's Champion:

its about numbers.

i like the balance changes they brought in but good good I am not FACING enough Tyranids 9/10 of every ruthless match

1/10 times, finally 8-10 tyranid warriors alongside a massive horde of Gaunts will spawn and we're having a blast.. and then it ends and nothing spawns for the next 25 minutes

The AI director gives you far too much of a breather in Ruthless, I literally am not running out of pistol rounds on my BULWARK of all classes while firing nonstop at enemies i see.

but by brigs logic the ai director spawns enemies based on your max level even more so for nids he-he cant be wrong!

That just my experience as a solo player. I from time to time play with others and i notice that i don't get swarmed as much when i do and that. I just figured its cause all my character are over lvl 10 5 of them are 20 or over and most times im in a lobby with a 15 or lower character as teammates.

[[Blood Raven] Cyrus]

Escrito originalmente por Brigs:

Escrito originalmente por Blood Raven Cyrus:

but by brigs logic the ai director spawns enemies based on your max level even more so for nids he-he cant be wrong!

That just my experience as a solo player. I from time to time play with others and i notice that i don't get swarmed as much when i do and that. I just figured its cause all my character are over lvl 10 5 of them are 20 or over and most times im in a lobby with a 15 or lower character as teammates.

and by your experiance you know how the game works at a tech level of how ai works but still struggle on ruthless having to master only 2 buttons on most telegrahed attacks that give you big blue and red circle

[Sister of Battle]

i play solo, i play with team.

I am good but not that good and i am still waltzing through, they 100% reduced spawns. I should've died some of those missions

[Brigs]

Escrito originalmente por gachi is manly:

I don't know why they reduced the amount of spawns. If you're going to make it easier by making enemies less accurate, less spongy, and make players able to mitigate damage better, then why also reduce the spawn caps? If anything, you should be increasing them to counteract the elements that you tweaked that make it easier.

It wasn't so much that ruthless was too hard, it was just a slog with a high time to kill. The shift to making players more durable and enemies less spongy should come at the expense of them being more aggressive or just more of them period, not less.

People complained that chaos wasnt fun to fight which the shield demons were bs but because of that they took it to the extreme and lowered spawn number for chaos.

[gachi is manly]

I don't know why they reduced the amount of spawns. If you're going to make it easier by making enemies less accurate, less spongy, and make players able to mitigate damage better, then why also reduce the spawn caps? If anything, you should be increasing them to counteract the elements that you tweaked that make it easier.

It wasn't so much that ruthless was too hard, it was just a slog with a high time to kill. The shift to making players more durable and enemies less spongy should come at the expense of them being more aggressive or just more of them period, not less.

Escrito originalmente por BT Emperor's Champion:

its not even lag based decision because 30% of the map you walk around with 2-3 nids staring at you. That downtime is too much.

I respect the sentiment of: we don't wanna fry your pc with too many enemies

Cool, at least spawn them at a higher frequency on the map and reduce that downtime.

This is a good point.

[[Blood Raven] Cyrus]

Escrito originalmente por BT Emperor's Champion:

i play solo, i play with team.

I am good but not that good and i am still waltzing through, they 100% reduced spawns. I should've died some of those missions

a homeless man with a mob is more threatening then the enemys this patch

[Sister of Battle]

nerfing enemies will be fine as long as you make it up with something else

increased SPECIAL spawns

increased big enemies

increased hordes

increased intensity throughout the operation

make us actually sweat for once.

one thing i am amazing in is melee combat and there actually aren't enough ranged troops to make me fear them.

[Brigs]

Escrito originalmente por BT Emperor's Champion:

i play solo, i play with team.

I am good but not that good and i am still waltzing through, they 100% reduced spawns. I should've died some of those missions

they might have for ruthless idk im use to substanial cause i got most of my guns up to purple i think i might have like 5 that arent. the power fist, both bolter type sniper rifle for sniper and the plasma.

[Volteer]

Escrito originalmente por BT Emperor's Champion:

its not even lag based decision because 30% of the map you walk around with 2-3 nids staring at you. That downtime is too much.

This is an active warzone and we're operating behind ENEMY lines, not just any enemy btw, Tyranids and Chaos. They should be on us more at Ruthless, they should be 'ruthless' basically xD

I respect the sentiment of: we don't wanna fry your pc with too many enemies

Cool, at least spawn them at a higher frequency on the map and reduce that downtime.

This approach reminds me of L4D. You would have moments in game where once you trigger something, the game throws enemies at you endlessly and your task is simply to fight your way through it. The concept is fun, but I fear it would trigger 2 responses:

1. Roll to safety and skip this "bs" part.
2. "Too hard, impossible to get through, can't kill everything, nerf it."

Game would defo become more interesting though if after destroying the rocks in Inferno and facing one massive wave/boss until you get to the armory + gate (outside zone just before you head to generators IIRC) you'd instead face a more consistent trickle of enemies you have to consistently battle, which have better ability at slowing you down and punishing speedrunning ... ... which the game doesn't have sadly.

[[Blood Raven] Cyrus]

Escrito originalmente por BT Emperor's Champion:

nerfing enemies will be fine as long as you make it up with something else

increased SPECIAL spawns

increased big enemies

increased hordes

increased intensity throughout the operation

make us actually sweat for once.

i mean casual thought the game was too hard befor and now substantial is too hard for them i doubt they will do this im expecting the next patch to be a nerf because quote sub is too hard they do another nerf were i can play the game with my feet

[Brigs]

well we shouldn't fear guys the next season is right around the corner with a new difficulty coming out. I'm pretty sure things will change these devs seem like there on their A game trying to make this game the perfect experience

[[Blood Raven] Cyrus]

Escrito originalmente por Brigs:

well we shouldn't fear guys the next season is right around the corner with a new difficulty coming out. I'm pretty sure things will change these devs seem like there on their A game trying to make this game the perfect experience

when you mean new diffculty you mean old ruthless because they pre nerfed lethal befor it even came out wich ruthless wasnt hard to begin with level 15 and purple gear recommended to beat ruthless

[Brigs]

Escrito originalmente por Blood Raven Cyrus:

Escrito originalmente por Brigs:

well we shouldn't fear guys the next season is right around the corner with a new difficulty coming out. I'm pretty sure things will change these devs seem like there on their A game trying to make this game the perfect experience

when you mean new diffculty you mean old ruthless because they pre nerfed lethal befor it even came out wich ruthless wasnt hard to begin with level 15 and purple gear recommended to beat ruthless

Nah with all the complaints lol they gonna try to make the sh!t impossible just you wait and see lol