Primaris marines vs Firstborn which is better

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[Korrex]

In theory the Primaris marines are better, however they generally are considered to be lacking experience such that a regular astartes could beat them on that.

That said a firstborn can become a Primaris and then that solves that lol.

[Bovril Brigadier]

The Primaris Marines feel like discount knockoff Marines only added so that GeeDubs could get people to buy Space Marines again.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Publicado originalmente por LevelEndBaddie:

Publicado originalmente por The_Dipl0mat:

Y'forgot the special weapon the Tactical Squad can take, turning it into 7 bolt guns, a missile launcher, a melta, and then the sgt with bolt pistol and chainsword. This is also ignoring the wide array of weapons available to the tactical squad which is befitting of their swiss army knife role. Such as being able to receive a grav cannon, las cannon, heavy bolter, flamer, plasma cannon, and plasma gun. With the sgt getting a pretty good variety of options as well. Such as grav pistol, inferno pistol, plasma pistol, power fist, thunder hammer, or throw away range for twin lightning claws.

Meanwhile for the Primaris specialist squad, the max speciality you get is the two bolter grenade launchers for the troops. With the sergeant having access to a bolt rifle, hand flamer, plasma pistol, thunder hammer, power fist, or general power weapon.

The only real advantage Primaris get in this match up is being able to hit on a 2+ if they sit still. So I feel like the Tacticals have a pretty good chance against Primaris due to weapon variety, alongside being able to sink into anti-infantry weapons, or go for one hit weapons like the las cannon. Y'know, as long as we're talking tabletop

EDIT: Just realized you didn't forget the additional special weapon, that's my bad. Eyes ain't what they used to be

yeah the lore doesn't reflect the stats currently which is what i mentioned and why i can see them being phased out. Primaris are supposed to be better in every regard and now all First Born can basically be Primaris i can see the stats being lowered for tactical and devastator squads to make the Primaris more appealing on the table top before they say they can't be used in official rules at all.

If I remember right, weren't they initially worse than the new Primaris (at the time) and then got buffed to be equal in stats? As for that happening, I'm not too sure. As in I think it's a fifty fifty shot that they do or don't.

Anyways, based off tabletop stats it looks like Firstborn are capable of wiping Primaris. Based off initial lore and not involving the Rubicon, Firstborn have a good chance of winning most fights due to their skill level

[Giηルキ]

On paper, overall "better" stats, but that's debatable since some firstborns are stronger than primaris as well.

On lore, Primaris, considering Belisarius Cawl had about 10,000 years to stabilize the gene seed instability in Space Marines, and improved their gene seed production, enabling them to harvest and mass recruit Space Marines at an unprecedented rate.

It really depends how you see it, I agree with most of the comments here, the primaris seems like a boring upgrade with less flexibility/ingenuity compared to firstborns. And firstborns are just loyal superhuman children of childish demigod children of the emperor. That makes a great story and lore when each legion have its own pros and cons.

[LevelEndBaddie]

Publicado originalmente por The_Dipl0mat:

If I remember right, weren't they initially worse than the new Primaris (at the time) and then got buffed to be equal in stats? As for that happening, I'm not too sure. As in I think it's a fifty fifty shot that they do or don't.

Anyways, based off tabletop stats it looks like Firstborn are capable of wiping Primaris. Based off initial lore and not involving the Rubicon, Firstborn have a good chance of winning most fights due to their skill level

business wise it makes sense to get rid of them, would encourage the sales of more figures as you'd need to purchase multiple smaller sets to have the variety offered by tactical and devastator squads. i can also see this as a reason for making the Pirmaris have less variety in individual squads.

in the rules really they should have elevated tactical and devastator squads to some type of veteran squad and made them more expensive, maybe given them a buff to another stat to show their experience, it doesn't make sense that they are cheaper yet can roll out with missile launchers etc. while Primaris intercessors only have grenade launchers and their armour isn't any better despite is being supposedly superior in lore.

[Karak Sonen]

Firstborn.

I dislike the Primaris all around; From the way they got introduced, to their Lore, to the way they, their equipment and vehicles are designed.

Redemptor Dreadnoughts are cool, though.