They should have made relic unlocks be on the 3rd difficulty

[Transmongold]

This 100%

[WikiTora]

Originally posted by Area 51:

Possibly a publisher or smth was spending too much time in some Karen "game journalist" twitter spam and did a panic call.

Yep, sounds about right.

[JesusBigDink]

This 100% They should have made relic unlocks be on the 3rd difficulty for the people crying it was too hard could get the gear and they shouldn't have nerfed ruthless just keep the armour parry but only give half and lower the chaos shields guys HP.

[Dr. Rockso]

I like how you assume it was some "karen" that caused this.

I'm not here to argue for or against the changes but NONE of us are the game devs yet we all seem to act like them.

[L O]

Your starter for 10:

Out of the 2 million+ units sold how many thought the game was too hard compared to those who thought it was too easy, and for a bonus, how many of those of the first group where having fun after spending between 60 an 100 bucks/Euros/Krona/yen ....and will now continue to spend money on season pass's?

personally after playing today, yeah they went a bit hard with the nerf bat its still fun for me.

[JesusBigDink]

Originally posted by Lord Opic:

Your starter for 10:

Out of the 2 million+ units sold how many thought the game was too hard compared to those who thought it was too easy, and for a bonus, how many of those of the first group where having fun after spending between 60 an 100 bucks/Euros/Krona/yen ....and will now continue to spend money on season pass's?

personally after playing today, yeah they went a bit hard with the nerf bat its still fun for me.

If its too hard on ruthless then don't play on ruthless, I get there are unlocks on it but they should have just made it so you could get the unlocks on the lower modes.

With this patch they should have just kept a ruthless plus that was just the pre patched one then everyone would have been happy.

[BretonFou35]

Originally posted by JesusBigDink:

Originally posted by Lord Opic:

Your starter for 10:

Out of the 2 million+ units sold how many thought the game was too hard compared to those who thought it was too easy, and for a bonus, how many of those of the first group where having fun after spending between 60 an 100 bucks/Euros/Krona/yen ....and will now continue to spend money on season pass's?

personally after playing today, yeah they went a bit hard with the nerf bat its still fun for me.

If its too hard on ruthless then don't play on ruthless, I get there are unlocks on it but they should have just made it so you could get the unlocks on the lower modes.

With this patch they should have just kept a ruthless plus that was just the pre patched one then everyone would have been happy.

This. I don't get people who ♥♥♥♥♥ about the hard difficulty being hard.

[YARD_STALEV]

Originally posted by JesusBigDink:

This 100% They should have made relic unlocks be on the 3rd difficulty for the people crying it was too hard could get the gear.

1000%
And it would prevent newbies from jumping into Ruthless.

[Ally]

Spawns being lowered is a weird choice for balancing current gameplay.
Ranged dmg was lowered and chaff shouldn't be as cancerous as before. Both are good changes.

On the other hand I played few ops on the lowest difficulty yesterday and had points with 10+ warriors in a single corridor and some places where enemies just kept on coming.
I'm starting to really believe enemy spawns are affected by class level.

If you really want a bigger challenge just play with worse weapons. Enemies taking more damage to take down is the only "difficulty" this game has.

Btw, hearing someone say: "i'm not even that good, I don't even do most of the work during operations" followed by "game is not hard" is definitely something.

[Sofia]

If all you care about is challenge, then equip low level weapons and upload Ruthless level 1 weapons runs to Youtube.

Don't cry and moan until they make the game harder for everyone else. The tools to challenge yourself are already in the game. Use them.

[Shield]

idc i get to run ruth vox lerbatis again instead of my entire group leaving for inferno so im pleased

[Ally]

Originally posted by JesusBigDink:

This 100% They should have made relic unlocks be on the 3rd difficulty for the people crying it was too hard could get the gear and they shouldn't have nerfed ruthless just keep the armour parry but only give half and lower the chaos shields guys HP.

Weapon unlocks being dropped by one tier is definitely a way to help with smoothing progression curve but I think proper rebalancing of weapons is how they should go about it, especially considering how uneven they are,
The biggest issue is the difficulty jump between Average and Substantial, not Substantial and Ruthless. I would even argue Ruthless is not as hard as Substantial simply bc Relic tier weapons get massive buffs to stats over previous tier.

[L O]

Originally posted by JesusBigDink:

Originally posted by Lord Opic:

Your starter for 10:

Out of the 2 million+ units sold how many thought the game was too hard compared to those who thought it was too easy, and for a bonus, how many of those of the first group where having fun after spending between 60 an 100 bucks/Euros/Krona/yen ....and will now continue to spend money on season pass's?

personally after playing today, yeah they went a bit hard with the nerf bat its still fun for me.

If its too hard on ruthless then don't play on ruthless, I get there are unlocks on it but they should have just made it so you could get the unlocks on the lower modes.

With this patch they should have just kept a ruthless plus that was just the pre patched one then everyone would have been happy.

I agree, that or they should have had a way of converting green to purple to gold. I didn't touch ruthless until I was 20+ then tbh only did it to get more relic tokens.

[MostlyPanda]

Originally posted by Ally:

Originally posted by JesusBigDink:

This 100% They should have made relic unlocks be on the 3rd difficulty for the people crying it was too hard could get the gear and they shouldn't have nerfed ruthless just keep the armour parry but only give half and lower the chaos shields guys HP.

Weapon unlocks being dropped by one tier is definitely a way to help with smoothing progression curve but I think proper rebalancing of weapons is how they should go about it, especially considering how uneven they are,
The biggest issue is the difficulty jump between Average and Substantial, not Substantial and Ruthless. I would even argue Ruthless is not as hard as Substantial simply bc Relic tier weapons get massive buffs to stats over previous tier.

You dont need weapon unlocks if you cant complete Diff4.

Play on Diff3 with your purple crap

[z0mb1k]

Originally posted by Sofia:

If all you care about is challenge, then equip low level weapons and upload Ruthless level 1 weapons runs to Youtube.

Don't cry and moan until they make the game harder for everyone else. The tools to challenge yourself are already in the game. Use them.

The tools to make the game easier were also already in the game, they're called "Average" and "Substantial".

[StrangeAK47]

It wasn't too hard its the fact guants took multiple shots and it mean't you could only manage them with the melta, when a bolt gun should suffice.
the deamons with shields were just too much without being able to execute them but the devs were too cheap to get someone to do new animations so they reduced the spawn.
primaris are supposed to be like x10 better than normal space marines or some ♥♥♥♥ so why would there be any struggle playing as them?
fact is pve should never be considered leet, go play pvp.