injustice to Space Marine 1 and Firstborn

[BROTHER PHOBOS]

prologue

the prologue was a blatant jab at Firstborn (and thru which also Space Marine 1), pushing the message that it takes a single tyranid warrior to kill a Firstborn, and that an outstanding Firstborn like Titus (who bested such a powerful traitor Firstborn as Nemeroth despite being worn down by his rubric marines) can be defeated by some carnifex just because he fought a couple of hormagaunts and tyranid warriors beforehand.

these jabs were thrown to show how Primaris lack such inadequacies Firstborn have... inadequacies which were clearly not present in Space Marine 1, and were made up in Space Marine 2. i understand that GW has a need to push Primaris on top of Firstborn, but making up Firstborn inadequacies that didn't exist just to achieve it feels disrespectful, inappropriate, and unnecessary. why not highball Primaris abilities and leave Firstborn as they were instead of downplaying them?

jabbing at Firstborn to promote Primaris

not giving Primaris such a crucial survivability tool as swordsman's zeal perk Firstborn have in Space Marine 1 doesn't exactly feel like highballing Primaris, but rather another tool of retconning Firstborn into being horrible. not to mention how the player is forced to play with Primaris bots (if not having 3 players) which are absolutely useless despite being "so superior to Firstborn", which further pushes Firstborn downplaying narrative. somehow the great superior Primaris have to spend so much time to kill a hormagaunt (because of how adequately weak their anemic strikes are), and somehow guardsmen (literally NORMAL humans) constantly win in close combat with them with their "dive back and shoot" animation, further jabbing at Firstborn thru Primaris performance. the game's campaign also pushes the message that Primaris instantly die from an explosion that's too weak to tear them apart or even lift them off the ground. you can even notice dead Primaris marine (or once even 2) without a single tyranid corpse laying around. it's like the game says "sure, Primaris are quite weak... but at least they are stronger than FIRSTBORN HAHAHA AM I RIGHT?".

what feels like yet another jab at Firstborn is how Thousand Sons (chaos marines) are so immensely weak in comparison to tyranids and daemons. it seems like Saber Interactive is pushing the message that 3 Primaris marines can take on dozens of Firstborn... especially considering how weak Thousand Sons sorcerers are to them, which supposed to be the most powerful of all sorcerers.


(it's all part of a broader point i made in a thread here)


praise the Emperor

[Eidrog]

Well, and you need to see the carnifex encounter for what it is. There's no way GW was going to let Titus continue being a Firstborn Marine. I'm sure making him a Primaris Marine was a requirement the devs needed to satisfy. So they get Titus beaten up badly as the narrative reason for need needing the Primaris surgery.

Yeesh, I wish the carnifex did a better job ripping Titus apart. : / Maybe we should have been a dreadnought then. : D

[Chompman]

Eidrog a écrit :

Well, and you need to see the carnifex encounter for what it is. There's no way GW was going to let Titus continue being a Firstborn Marine. I'm sure making him a Primaris Marine was a requirement the devs needed to satisfy. So they get Titus beaten up badly as the narrative reason for need needing the Primaris surgery.

Yeesh, I wish the carnifex did a better job ripping Titus apart. : / Maybe we should have been a dreadnought then. : D

Playing as a dreadnought would only work if we have a unlimited amount of statues to use as our weapons.

[Jimmy MacReady]

Besides I dont see OP crying about squats being nuked and cast into the eye of terror.

WHERES MUH SQUATS

[Jimmy MacReady]

Klingenmeister a écrit :

Seems like you all forgot 10th edition trailer already. (1:32)
That carnifex (correct me if Im wrong and that isnt a carnifex, im not a big warhammer fan) cuts down in just a few seconds almost as many primaris as there are on screen primaris deaths in this whole game.

I dont even think Primaris Marine 2: Electric Boogaloo would survive being cut in half.. Well I guess it would make OP happy if he was used to Primaris 2 and not dying to become Primaris 3.

[BROTHER PHOBOS]

Silhouette a écrit :

Brother Phobos a écrit :

or maybe you're trusting such a vast source of Astartes lore discreditation as tabletop to not blatantly discredit the lore just to have more figurine sells?

"OH MY GOODNESS! A CARNIFEX KILLED A SPACE MARINE!?!?!?!?!"
Said no one ever who's familiar with Warhammer 40K.

lol, Carnifexes are no slouches, If Titus got taken out by rippers or a hormagaunt you'd have a case here, but a carnefex? A CARNEFEX!? o_O

obviously it happens. if you think this is my point then you don't understand the thread. my point is that a carnifex did it without any support, which is just a blatant jab at Fistbron.

[solid steve]

Chompman a écrit :

Eidrog a écrit :

Well, and you need to see the carnifex encounter for what it is. There's no way GW was going to let Titus continue being a Firstborn Marine. I'm sure making him a Primaris Marine was a requirement the devs needed to satisfy. So they get Titus beaten up badly as the narrative reason for need needing the Primaris surgery.

Yeesh, I wish the carnifex did a better job ripping Titus apart. : / Maybe we should have been a dreadnought then. : D

Playing as a dreadnought would only work if we have a unlimited amount of statues to use as our weapons. :lunar2019grinningpig:

IN THE NAME OF THE EMPEROR, I CAST YOU DOWN!

[BROTHER PHOBOS]

Chompman a écrit :

Brother Phobos a écrit :

INSTANTLY kill a firstborn according to what? some blatant lore discreditation on tabletop's part to sell more figurines?

And what would you go by?

Some lore from a book to sell more of itself or fan made writing?

Remember what 40k is and it's a game based around certain balances to keep it fun and not some fanfic where nothing can kill your made up hero.

multiple which you activists will disregard and put their own examples of less relevant faction lores as "more important", because you never change

[BROTHER PHOBOS]

The_Dipl0mat a écrit :

Man, it's amazing how much disrespect that Tyranids give firstborn. Did you know that a Swarmlord cut off 3/4s of Calgars limbs? I've also heard that Carnifexes are surprisingly good at killing Marines. Especially due to their whole thing of shredding tanks

you don't understand my point, which is how the carnifex did it almost without any support

[BROTHER PHOBOS]

Voodoo a écrit :

Him losing to carnifex, pretty normal, you need pretty specialised anti tank weapons to even damage carnifex, something that game doesnt really follow.

However the way cutscene portrayed insertion, thats horribly botched operation that would make me think that they wanted this kill team to be on suicide mission.

That said primaris are not some gods, theyre slightly tougher and slightly stronger than normal marine and are by no means better warriors than firstborn with experience.

it is not normal in the context of how that carnifex had almost no support

[Voodoo]

What support does it need, its a tank equivalent for the tyranids, by lore titus had no chance to kill it with frag grenades, chainsword and bolt pistol.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Brother Phobos a écrit :

The_Dipl0mat a écrit :

Man, it's amazing how much disrespect that Tyranids give firstborn. Did you know that a Swarmlord cut off 3/4s of Calgars limbs? I've also heard that Carnifexes are surprisingly good at killing Marines. Especially due to their whole thing of shredding tanks

you don't understand my point, which is how the carnifex did it almost without any support

Y'know, ignoring the crash. And numerous Tyranids that whittled him down beforehand. And all the Tyranids that killed his battle brothers

[Three 60 Mafia]

Actually its an insult to the countless Warriors, Lictors and the Carnifex that a lowly firstborn could best them.

[Eightball]

Brother Phobos a écrit :

Eightball a écrit :

What delusional nonsense are you on about?

how thick is your skull to not be capable of understanding that your target audience isn't here? i've been in Warhammer community for a long time and i know your kind well

What the ♥♥♥♥ are you talking about? What is my target audience? What is my agenda? You are so delusional lmao.

Nevermind you got banned. Obviously just a terrible troll lmao. Stay in your delusion, bro.

Mate if you took 1 glance at my profile you'd realise just how much utter bile that you spew lmao. So delusional.

God forbid I think a carnifex would kill a space marine lmfao. Must have an agenda? No, it's literally the lore, lmao. The delusion is literally off the charts here. Maybe you'd like to join a flat earth group.

[zastcat]

is anybody actually expecting this to not be a troll post? I mean they're just repeating "no support" over and over without actually elaborating or clarifying, have casually thrown around the label of "tourists" whenever people disagree with them, and is making the frankly hilarious claim that "astartes lore takes priority over tyranid lore"

the only way it could be more obvious the thread is bait is if they started screaming "this is woke propaganda" and-oh look they're forum banned in a surprise to nobody

[Eightball]

zastcat a écrit :

is anybody actually expecting this to not be a troll post? I mean they're just repeating "no support" over and over without actually elaborating or clarifying, have casually thrown around the label of "tourists" whenever people disagree with them, and is making the frankly hilarious claim that "astartes lore takes priority over tyranid lore"

the only way it could be more obvious the thread is baitis if they started screaming "this is woke propaganda" and-oh look they're forum banned in a surprise to nobody

loooooooool. The guy was delusional if it wasn't a troll, lmao. They even comment in the game itself how he lost because it was 1v1 and how they beat the next carnifex because it was outnumbered.

His whole "I fought a carnifex with a bolt pistol" comment in the game was literally also talking about that one. He did not win. He never said he did, lol.