Are stupid bots ok for veteran difficulty?

[lily40k]

doing first playtrough, i feel like the other 2 bots are absolutely useless...
do i just tone down or will they get better

[Dwarten]

The game is intended to be played on Veteran mode. On solo you can do it absolutely even with the dumb bots. It may feel easy at times but there are parts where its annoying. I will say though, Not even a skill issue Angel of Death solo is truly a challenge if you are a masochist lol. Reason I say that is it's alot of making sure you are doing everything as the bots just stand there literally. I recommend everyone to solo veteran mode and then angel of death with friends because that is actually a good challenge.

[Exterminans]

I turned it down to normal after the second mission. I do believe it is possible to do with bots, but I personally found it unnecessarily hard. I am generally not a fan of overly difficult games, though, and some people might have different opinions.

Currently playing through the campaign again with two friends and having a blast on veteran

[MrFrengLitch]

They're stupid but you can do it. I beat the campaign solo on AoD difficulty. Theres only 1 mission really that gave me issues the first time and now I beat it 3 times without dying at all.

If I can give any tips is to keep your healing as long as you can when you really need them. Also dont use them willy-nilly, they restore your "lives" when you get downed. So wait to get downed, get res, then heal, etc. Instead use you Q ability to heal up. Another tip is Krak grenades are pretty much instant kill for the elite mobs. Use them and then execute. Elite mobs is what gonna kill you for the most part on higher difficulties. So focus on them. A good combo is to use your ability and then go into an execute animation for invincibility frames and easy healing. And yeah, execute gives you invincibility frames.

Its honestly a blast to play the game on higher difficulties.

[Xaelon]

Nope. The bots are worthless on veteran. You can't even rely on them to kill weak enemies reliably when defending an objective. The only thing they're good at is reviving you. They don't even execute enemies most of the time.

I was able to beat 3 campaign missions solo on veteran but it required a lot of retries and I had to do essentially everything myself with near perfect execution. It feels like that difficulty is intended to be played with 2 other people. I found it very unforgiving solo.

Having turned it down to normal the game feels much better imo.

[Camaron208]

yeah, i played the entire campaign with AI and was relatively easy, some parts are a torture tho but perfectly doable

[lily40k]

hmm veteran was just right for me until that rooftop mission where you defend antenas... because those stupid bots dont do anything useful i had to camp at the ammo box and spam grenade launcher on everything... literally no time to do any executions or anything.

Turned down to normal and realised i was super close to beat that...

Still its annoying to play that way. What a stupid choice to not let random people join you on campaign... not only you are unlikely to be free with your friends at the same time but they may be on different points of progression.

[Darth Cannabis]

The bots suck, They aren't completely horrible (I have seen worse), but generally they suck pretty hard. Even on normal, there are moments where they are blatantly useless, or at the very least where the flaws of the AI is quite apparent.

The first really major spot I'd say is the Lictor boss fight. They just entirely check out there. Barely shoot, completely forget that they have melee (which they overused with a chase enemy habit up to that point), and its clearly ends up a 1 on 1 of you versus Lictor.

You then follow that with the Ripper filled area, that encourages to use the flamer, while your bot teamates randomly shoot into the rippers, don't focus on the larger enemies, or stay with you (chase way too much there).

Its right about that point I feel, most people will begin to curse the bots as completely useless and realize that they are only good for a slight distraction or occasional revive. There are parts where they do better (the jump pack parts for example, where that aggressive AI works well), but there are a lot of times your wondering what the hell the bot is doing, or why its so far away, while other times they are right there but don't seem to really be doing anything.

I'd say operations can be even worse with bots. It seems to me as if all the bots have pretty much the same AI, regardless of chosen class. I noticed this when I saw a bot sniper getting way too aggressive chasing in melee, and not really utilizing the rifle. Then it dawned on me its all the same, use range until engaged in melee, then melee until clear, just really basic see it, shoot it, melee if close AI. No target priority other than spotting specials (and pretty much just spotting, they tend to ignore after that).

[Captnrex]

The bots can be pretty dumb, I am about to beat it on Veteran (waiting for connection issue to go away) tip I have to defending the outdoor levels from the flyers (the most annoying levels to me lol) is have the rifle/grenade launcher combo and get close to the thing you have to defend (seems to help AI focus fire on em). Other than that, you will probably die a bit but its winnable lol.

[lily40k]

Originally posted by Captnrex:

The bots can be pretty dumb, I am about to beat it on Veteran (waiting for connection issue to go away) tip I have to defending the outdoor levels from the flyers is have the rifle/grenade launcher combo and get close to the thing you have to defend (seems to help AI focus fire on em). Other than that, you will probably die a bit but its winnable lol.

yeah i'm 99% sure i can beat it on veteran, but i'm gonna keep doing normal cos its just not fun that the mighty space marines with me are usless dorks... its not just the bots that make veteran feel meh... i was expecting bigger maybe smarter enemies or something more than stupid hp/damage difference between difficulty levels.

So i'm just gonna do normal for the story and then see how coop works and if its actually worth spending more time on that... otherwise i have aliens fireteam that is still a blast to play. Imo devs would benefit if they took few ideas from them.

[BEEP!]

Nope they are just that dumb even game's from the early 2000s have smarter and more competent bots you can rely on straight up go play some old game's and just watch how much smarter the bots are in a lot of game's it's a eye opener.
The only thing they are good at is reving you and melleing thing that are face hugging them and don't expect them to shoot much of anything like 50feet out.

[Urizen]

Don't count on them too much. They are OK-ish, but not much of a help. You need to up your game a bit and you'll do fine on Veteran.

[Bad Brad]

Originally posted by lily40k:

doing first playtrough, i feel like the other 2 bots are absolutely useless...
do i just tone down or will they get better

I would say no. This game is not easy.

[ASPIK]

Getting a bit mad with protect the core mission - i admire the guys that can do it with BOT on angel of death difficulty...

[BEEP!]

Originally posted by ASPIK:

Getting a bit mad with protect the core mission - i admire the guys that can do it with BOT on angel of death difficulty...

About the best thing you can do is stay near the core and melee the small things then run around and dodge the flying ones near the end.

[Grizzl]

If you play hard, you never relied on bots in the first place. Come back when you got some notches on your belt son