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Galf 9 sep, 2024 @ 10:23

This game is made by a company whose HQ is still in Russia.

That's all I want to say. They pay taxes in Russia and the bulk of their operation is in Russia.
Y'all are free to make your own decision. I wanted this game, but I've got my own limits.

• russian office remains ops center, growing till 2023
• legal residency remains unchanged = taxes support the regime
• only being dumped by Embracer triggered *limited* staff reloc+ops shrinking

Quick source, but you can find other stuff too:

x dot com/fj_undead/status/1831663144378274047

Please spare me the arguing and political discourse. This is what it is. You are free to buy this. At the end of the day it's not a lot of money, I just personally would rather donate 50€ towards a fund for Ukraine rather than have even 1€ reach Russia as tax money. If you have less qualms about it, you are right and free to do so: this videogame by itself is innocent, it doesn't promote Russian ideology, it's just a taxes issue.

I am only trying to inform people.

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Ursprungligen skrivet av GenXGamer:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Galf:
That's all I want to say. They pay taxes in Russia and the bulk of their operation is in Russia.
Y'all are free to make your own decision. I wanted this game, but I've got my own limits.

• russian office remains ops center, growing till 2023
• legal residency remains unchanged = taxes support the regime
• only being dumped by Embracer triggered *limited* staff reloc+ops shrinking

Quick source, but you can find other stuff too:

x dot com/fj_undead/status/1831663144378274047

Please spare me the arguing and political discourse. This is what it is. You are free to buy this. At the end of the day it's not a lot of money, I just personally would rather donate 50€ towards a fund for Ukraine rather than have even 1€ reach Russia as tax money. If you have less qualms about it, you are right and free to do so: this videogame by itself is innocent, it doesn't promote Russian ideology, it's just a taxes issue.

I am only trying to inform people.

well damn, I guess i'm putting this developer in the same wastebasket as warthunder.
thanks for the info.

makes me wonder now if it was these people who were actively trashing and making the helldivers2 community toxic.

helldivers2 is a competitor in many regards, not just gaming.

update: https://leave-russia.org/embracer-group

"SABER INTERACTIV SGS" LLC (tax id 7802705343) - local entity in Russia. Embracer Group will sell selected parts of Saber Interactive for SEK 2.52 billion ($247 million) to Beacon Interactive, controlled by Saber co-founder Matthew Karch. The Saber divestment would also allow the Swedish holding company to wind down all operations in Russia, home to Sabre's largest office, which it said would "immediately" improve its cash flow, reduce capital spending, net debt and future liabilities. Embracer granted more time to wind down its Russian operations.
The Company Statement
March 14, 2024

Received revenues in Russia in 2021-2022. Officilally announced that "Embracer does not have any direct consumer sales in Ukraine, Russia, or Belarus. Consumer sales are made through third-parties which has historically represented approximately 1% of our global net sales." Embracer’s $247 million sale of Saber Interactive detailed: divested studios, games, and exit from Russia.

it gets interesting...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saber_Interactive

Saber Interactive Inc. is an American video game developer and publisher based in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Founded by Andrey Iones, Matthew Karch, and Anton Krupkin in 2001, it is controlled by Karch's investment company Beacon Interactive. The company employs over 1,350 people.

Beacon Interactive? this company?

https://www.beaconinteractive.com/the-company

With a longstanding record of continuous innovation, Beacon, a US-based digital innovator, is a valued and rapidly growing non-traditional defense contractor addressing national security needs for the US Department of Defense, its partners and allies.

no...not the same company.
https://gameworldobserver.com/2024/03/14/who-is-beacon-interactive-saber-new-owner-matthew-karch

There is not much known about Beacon Interactive, but is shouldn’t be confused with Beacon Interactive Systems, a software development company that works closely with the US Department of Defense.

It appears that the new business entity was registered in Florida in January 2024 as Beacon Interactive Group Holdings LLC, with Karch as its only manager/director. The company doesn’t have an official website or other pages with information about its operations.

but the secrecy of who is "beacon interactive" from Florida is pretty weird.z

time to start digging up info

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GenXGamer 9 sep, 2024 @ 11:18

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i dont know...your post from that guy at x shows that the company was still quite active in DEC 2022. Almost a year after the war started.

then they spun it off to beacon interactive which sounds like a shell company.
They sound just like gaijin in the way the investors/owners are all apart of shell companies around the world. When i was looking into gaijin, their investors and business entities were ALL over the panama papers.

all very shady stuff.

thanks for sharing this info...i'm definitely going to deep dive more into this.
If this company is still doing heavy business in Russia and never started to pull back and out like they said. people need to know. It shows a cynical intent to stay operating in Russia.

Thank you. It is more or less what I think. It's just too shady.
Emperor protects!

another thing to note is the day of incorporation in Florida in beacon interactive.
Jan 2024. and the company age at incorporation in Florida was only one month old.
https://gameworldobserver.com/2024/03/14/who-is-beacon-interactive-saber-new-owner-matthew-karch

That isn't that long ago.

#91

Badgriuel

9 sep, 2024 @ 11:18

Ursprungligen skrivet av Galf:
Ursprungligen skrivet av GenXGamer:

i dont know...your post from that guy at x shows that the company was still quite active in DEC 2022. Almost a year after the war started.

then they spun it off to beacon interactive which sounds like a shell company.
They sound just like gaijin in the way the investors/owners are all apart of shell companies around the world. When i was looking into gaijin, their investors and business entities were ALL over the panama papers.

all very shady stuff.

thanks for sharing this info...i'm definitely going to deep dive more into this.
If this company is still doing heavy business in Russia and never started to pull back and out like they said. people need to know. It shows a cynical intent to stay operating in Russia.

Thank you. It is more or less what I think. It's just too shady.
Emperor protects!

Wait a minute. You're making this discussion because of Russia and yet you have well over 700 hours on War Thunder.

Make it make sense lol.

#92

johnny

9 sep, 2024 @ 11:19

If you let something like that stand between you and a game you really wanted to play you are just dumb.. go virtue signal somewhere else..

#93

Z_Money925 har Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2

9 sep, 2024 @ 11:20

Don't like that they are from Russia, then don't buy it.

#94

Galf 9 sep, 2024 @ 11:20

Ursprungligen skrivet av GenXGamer:
Ursprungligen skrivet av Galf:

Thank you. It is more or less what I think. It's just too shady.
Emperor protects!
another thing to note is the day of incorporation in Florida in beacon interactive.
Jan 2024. and the company age at incorporation in Florida was only one month old.
https://gameworldobserver.com/2024/03/14/who-is-beacon-interactive-saber-new-owner-matthew-karch

That isn't that long ago.

Yes this is what put me off at first and I did the first research (and arguing about it) but I didn't go deep enough maybe. So thank you for looking more into it!

#95

GenXGamer 9 sep, 2024 @ 11:20

Ursprungligen skrivet av Galf:
Ursprungligen skrivet av GenXGamer:

i dont know...your post from that guy at x shows that the company was still quite active in DEC 2022. Almost a year after the war started.

then they spun it off to beacon interactive which sounds like a shell company.
They sound just like gaijin in the way the investors/owners are all apart of shell companies around the world. When i was looking into gaijin, their investors and business entities were ALL over the panama papers.

all very shady stuff.

thanks for sharing this info...i'm definitely going to deep dive more into this.
If this company is still doing heavy business in Russia and never started to pull back and out like they said. people need to know. It shows a cynical intent to stay operating in Russia.

Thank you. It is more or less what I think. It's just too shady.
Emperor protects!

also of note:
https://gameworldobserver.com/2024/03/14/embracer-sells-saber-247-million-exit-from-russia-details

The Saber divestment will also allow the Swedish holding company to cease all operations in Russia, the base of Saber’s largest office, saying that it will “immediately” improve its cash flow, reduce capex, net debt, and future liabilities.

“All Russian employees have been transferred to new entities that are wholly owned by local management that work exclusively with the Buyer,” the company noted. “Embracer will initiate a liquidation process to dissolve any Russian companies in accordance with Russian legislation.”

#96

Salty Slothy har Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2

9 sep, 2024 @ 11:21

Ursprungligen skrivet av Z_Money925:
Don't like that they are from Russia, then don't buy it.

That's his point. It's a dumb point but it's his point.

#97

Ne[M]esis 9 sep, 2024 @ 11:21

I'll now purchase it. Thank you

#98

Badgriuel

9 sep, 2024 @ 11:22

Ursprungligen skrivet av GenXGamer:
Ursprungligen skrivet av Galf:

Thank you. It is more or less what I think. It's just too shady.
Emperor protects!
also of note:
https://gameworldobserver.com/2024/03/14/embracer-sells-saber-247-million-exit-from-russia-details

The Saber divestment will also allow the Swedish holding company to cease all operations in Russia, the base of Saber’s largest office, saying that it will “immediately” improve its cash flow, reduce capex, net debt, and future liabilities.

“All Russian employees have been transferred to new entities that are wholly owned by local management that work exclusively with the Buyer,” the company noted. “Embracer will initiate a liquidation process to dissolve any Russian companies in accordance with Russian legislation.”

And of course its a private profile that is also in on this stupidity lol. Enjoy being a lonely virgin because no one wants to date you because everything has to involve politics for you.

#99