Lore question

[Alexia]

I see all the clown bait about lgbt/female but I have a legit question.
I'm honestly new to Warhammer 40k with Darktide being my only experience into the IP. So the game offers no female customization option or is it just strictly for certain factions? I saw a screenshot showing a player character without a helmet so I assume that is an option or does the game strictly have you in the armor?
I remember something about the retcon with custodes being only male and people mentioning battle sisters being ignored. If the game is playing as a faction that is strictly male would there be options to play other factions like the battle sisters or would that go against the lore?
Thank you for your time and reading/replying to my post. I'm probably going to pick up the game when I can afford it regardless of if I can play as a female or not. I was just wondering if the option would be viable without retconning lore further.

[76561198009276343]

Just use your imagination!
Your Space Marine can identify as a man, a woman, an orc, or even a Warkopta!

[V0ngluch]

space marines are all male from what i know of because of genetics, they get organs made for them from their primarches genetic make up, their primarchs (basically their "gene father") who are also male but are powerful and grant their marines unique traits, the primarches are made from the genetics from the emperor who sits on the golden throne to be his generals who serve different purposes and roles. and plot twist, none of them are related, they just clone genetic material and pass it onto people who are compatible to the organs

[Katitoff]

Adeptus Sororitas are militant part of Ordo Hereticus.

They deal with chaos uprisings, not xeno invasions.

That being said, they are already featured and playable in Gladius: Relics of War, Inquisitor: Martyr and Rogue Trader RPG.

They wear power armors, but they are orginary humans, just little too much into believing Emperor to be actual god.

[TE | Frank Dark]

Postat inițial de Alexia:

Thank you for your time and reading/replying to my post. I'm probably going to pick up the game when I can afford it regardless of if I can play as a female or not. I was just wondering if the option would be viable without retconning lore further.

The main goal is to protect the IP from destruction, like many others before them.

For 40 years, Space Marines were male because the transformation process required a young boy's body. In Codex Edition 3, it is mentioned that some modifications enhance the Y chromosome and boost testosterone production, but only 2/3 of men can withstand it.

The selection process is extremely challenging for females, although it varies by Chapter. For instance, the Space Wolves recruit heavily wounded fighters from war battlefields who have shown exceptional fighting spirit.

Also it reduces other factions where Female or others are representat.
Eldarf have a Lot of Legendary Female Fighters.
Even when i Male Took the Armor, the Female Soule would take over and transform him.
Orks are ASexual, for them Fighting is Sex
Tau, one of the biggest Commanders is a Female
There are Factions where are only Woman.

ASK for a Sister of Battle Faction and i would even agree.

[ch33353]

Space Marines are canonically all male due to technobabble of questionable verisimilitude. Sisters are all female because of historical reasons. Custodes were previously assumed to be all male but Games Workshop (company that runs the IP made statements that that was never the case and they are co-ed. Imperial Guard can be single sex or mixed depending on the regiment.
These groups cannot be swapped out for player taste because units would be radically different Marines and Custodes different grades of super soldiers in power armor, sisters are religious nuts in power armor, Guard are normal humans in a t-shirt.

[TE | Frank Dark]

Postat inițial de Katitoff:

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They deal with chaos uprisings, not xeno invasions.
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When Tera or a Sanction Planet is under Attack, the Sisters would not hold Back.
Flames heal against Tyrannids.

[Barry Cabbage]

It's not strictly impossible for Females to be Space Marines, but nobody in 40k could currently do it.

There is a conversation between The Emperor (The human leader/god and single most powerful psyker(mage) to exist) and malcador (gods BFF and immortal) wherein Malcador tells the Emperor that he believes the Primarchs (the Emperors non biologically related super children) should be female. the emperor laughs this off and either does or pretends to believe it was a joke... it was not.

So the Primarchs were made male, and thus the Space Marines whom are made using the genetic material of the Primarchs must also be male.

unfortunately the ability to make more Primarchs female or not has been lost as the Emperors body was wounded seemingly beyond repair and has been stuck on a giant throne that acts as both life support but also a physic beacon for warp travel (light speed but through hell)

The existence of Female custodians (Even more super than space marines) does not lend any in-lore credence to Female Space marines as Custodians are NOT made using geenseed like space marines are, they're simply normal humans pushed to the absolute natural limits the human body can be pushed to without genetic alteration.


In my honest opinion, we're going to eventually see female space marines we've recently had female custodians be confirmed and while as I said that means nothing in lore on the subject of female space marines it does show that GW is moving into a more inclusive mindset... and that's something 40k fans are going to have to get comfortable with.

I for one don't really care, so long as female space marines don't behave differently to a male space marines, both mentally and physically.

[BigJ]

Postat inițial de Pronnu:

Just use your imagination!
Your Space Marine can identify as a man, a woman, an orc, or even a Warkopta!

I identify as Alpharius.

[Barry Cabbage]

Postat inițial de BigJ:

Postat inițial de Pronnu:

Just use your imagination!
Your Space Marine can identify as a man, a woman, an orc, or even a Warkopta!

I identify as Alpharius.

I identify as Alpharius identifying as a Cadian guardsman.

[taste_my_ninja_fist]

Lore-wise if a game featured only playable Astartes/Space Marines they would all be male. IMHO any changes would be for the sake of current day identity politics only, the lore itself isn't all that big on things like social progress because only survival and the mechanisms of war are a real priority - although the Imperium has lots of scope beyond that with many different types of planets and local beliefs/systems of government - life goes on. To retcon this would diminish the lore for a lot of 40k fans, myself included, as it would only be done for the sake of current day feelings and calls for representation. I like my sci-fi or fantasy to be beyond our petty concerns and I see nothing wrong with brotherhoods or sisterhoods existing in fantasy or, indeed, reality.

That can of worms aside I'm sure players would love to play as Sisters of Battle, or Sisters of Silence, who by definition are all female, and if they were implemented with full customisation options I'm sure it would go down well. I'd love a game like that myself. A full campaign with the same mechanics but as a Battle Sister fighting a Chaos or Genestealer cult somewhere - yes please! Imperial forces often find themselves fighting in the same arena so that wouldn't be an issue to have them fight side-by-side.

However, the game is called Space Marine so I doubt the devs have this in mind. There's lots of room in the lore for female characters and great games showcasing them - the two factions mentioned above, the Inquisition, the Imperial Guard, planetary rulers/governors, assassins (most Callidus type assassins are female because of similar biologically based lore reasons for example), hive gangs (the Escher gang of Necromunda are all female for instance) and xeno races like Tau or Eldar. In the lore people can get modified with all sorts of biological or mechanical enhancements which may not make them full on Astartes but certainly enhanced super-soldier types etc though that may pose a risk of being labelled as heretical in some quarters of the Imperium.

I've not played it yet but I'm really looking forward to the campaign - it's a shame all things today become embroiled in identity politics and people can't just love a thing for being itself but that's them internets. I hope you enjoy it!

[Alexia]

Postat inițial de Barry Cabbage:

So the Primarchs were made male, and thus the Space Marines whom are made using the genetic material of the Primarchs must also be male.

unfortunately the ability to make more Primarchs female or not has been lost as the Emperors body was wounded seemingly beyond repair and has been stuck on a giant throne that acts as both life support but also a physic beacon for warp travel (light speed but through hell)

The existence of Female custodians (Even more super than space marines) does not lend any in-lore credence to Female Space marines as Custodians are NOT made using geenseed like space marines are, they're simply normal humans pushed to the absolute natural limits the human body can be pushed to without genetic alteration.

Makes sense, so Space marines isn't just a title for various soldiers but also an actual faction genetically made much like Clone troopers from Star Wars but also not exactly (Since Troopers were made to be a replicant and these are genetic alterations).

So my question about including other factions is a little redundant but possible, although the game is centered around specifically the soldiers who were genetically altered using the Primarch. So playing as other factions would be better suited for another game then this one.

While I would prefer to play as a female, that lore makes sense and as previously stated, I'm still willing to play.

Thank you all for the replies, and if you want to continue to explain more lore, I'm willing to keep reading the comments.

[BigJ]

Postat inițial de Barry Cabbage:

Postat inițial de BigJ:

I identify as Alpharius.

I identify as Alpharius identifying as a Cadian guardsman.

You cannot identify as Alpharius because I am Alpharius

[Barry Cabbage]

Postat inițial de Alexia:

Postat inițial de Barry Cabbage:

So the Primarchs were made male, and thus the Space Marines whom are made using the genetic material of the Primarchs must also be male.

unfortunately the ability to make more Primarchs female or not has been lost as the Emperors body was wounded seemingly beyond repair and has been stuck on a giant throne that acts as both life support but also a physic beacon for warp travel (light speed but through hell)

The existence of Female custodians (Even more super than space marines) does not lend any in-lore credence to Female Space marines as Custodians are NOT made using geenseed like space marines are, they're simply normal humans pushed to the absolute natural limits the human body can be pushed to without genetic alteration.

Makes sense, so Space marines isn't just a title for various soldiers but also an actual faction genetically made much like Clone troopers from Star Wars but also not exactly (Since Troopers were made to be a replicant and these are genetic alterations).

So my question about including other factions is a little redundant but possible, although the game is centered around specifically the soldiers who were genetically altered using the Primarch. So playing as other factions would be better suited for another game then this one.

While I would prefer to play as a female, that lore makes sense and as previously stated, I'm still willing to play.

Thank you all for the replies, and if you want to continue to explain more lore, I'm willing to keep reading the comments.

I'm glad I could be of help, and I'm glad you'll be sticking around to hopefully enjoy the game.

If you're interested in the lore/universe more there are factions/groups that feature females. some of which have been mentioned by others.

[Barry Cabbage]

Postat inițial de BigJ:

Postat inițial de Barry Cabbage:

I identify as Alpharius identifying as a Cadian guardsman.

You cannot identify as Alpharius because I am Alpharius

Ah but I am actually Alpharius but you don't know that because you think I'm a Guardsman but I'm actually Alpharius.

[The Roach]

Astartes could be female decades ago, but that's been retconned. There are no female Astartes in the current lore. There may be female Custodes. Females have the Sororitas and Sisters of Silence, which are adequately powerful. Pretty sure the SoS even have access to Adrathic weaponry which is top tier.