Threat: Substantial

[g0jira]

so i have full green gear, all skills for that level, all weapon skills for green gear, and i still wipe every single operation, enemies are like dmg sponge while you get one hit and you have no armor and half of HP, not to mention there is a lot of enemies, swarming on map, i do understand there need to be challenge, but i feel like Saber did change something in setting, even 25 lvl players had problems with so many foes. and its still Threat: Substantial, not Ruthless. the worst part, im mostly ok with so many enemies, while blocking perfectly every single attack, avoiding heavy attacks, i still have no chance to survive when my attacks do nothing to enemies, and there is a lot sponges there that whole ammo reserve is not enough

[Brainbane]

I absolutely hate games that rely on damage sponges. Especially with poorly implemented damage mitigation mechanics.

[Anger Of The Land]

EDIT. LoL, got 2 purple data on my first go around, me a guy named Rageputty and 1 ai. That diff is fkin intense though. Went down once. Tactical. Everyone had me terrified of that diff.

[Salty Slothy]

This game is insufferable jumping from average to substantial. Absolutely miserable. But when you finally get tier 3 kit it does become MORE bearable but they need to tone down the damage sponge stuff.

[juarezapache913]

a huge help on the team is having a heavy with the melta. it takes out so many enemies at once so the team does not have to spend so much ammo

[Salty Slothy]

Originally posted by juarezapache913:

a huge help on the team is having a heavy with the melta. it takes out so many enemies at once so the team does not have to spend so much ammo

A heavy with a Melta is ridiculously good at clearing trash. To the point where they have a god tier perk for doing that. one of the earlier ones you can get gives you back 1 ammo for 5+ kills at once, no cooldown. But the problem comes in the fact THAT'S NOT WHAT A MELTA IS FOR!

[g0jira]

so i got to purple gear, and i have to say melta is king while im running with bolt guns and dmg suck, i changed for melta and dmg was awesome, so there is also poor balance

[Salty Slothy]

Originally posted by g0jira:

so i got to purple gear, and i have to say melta is king while im running with bolt guns and dmg suck, i changed for melta and dmg was awesome, so there is also poor balance

It's pretty painful isn't it?

[BigJ]

Idk I love my intercessor and heavy bolt rifles.

Even the bolt rifle with grenade launcher.

They get rid of termigaunt shooters and make my life easier as a vanguard/tactical.

[ATStrategist]

idk man, doing ruthless missions with my bulwark no problem

[Salty Slothy]

Originally posted by BigJ:

Idk I love my intercessor and heavy bolt rifles.

Even the bolt rifle with grenade launcher.

They get rid of termigaunt shooters and make my life easier as a vanguard/tactical.

Grenade launcher is alright but it feels like it falls off pretty hard.

[Salty Slothy]

Originally posted by ATStrategist:

idk man, doing ruthless missions with my bulwark no problem

Yeah cuz bulwark is the best class. Perfect protection from ranged attacks, the only class that heals upon using a rearm pod, only class that can heal its allies, best pistol, best melee weapon. Can't imagine why you're having no trouble.

[VengeanceBringer]

Originally posted by Salty Slothy:

This game is insufferable jumping from average to substantial. Absolutely miserable. But when you finally get tier 3 kit it does become MORE bearable but they need to tone down the damage sponge stuff.

I second this. The initial jump into getting the armory data was far worse. Once I actually had it I dialed it back to tier 2 and leveled up the new guns (playing as a heavy here). With the perks I am able to do substantial like it was the previous difficulty. The damage you get with the new gear really helps. I think the big issue is that the first difficulties are geared towards the standard issue or master-crafted gear and you can get the master-crafted gear from the tier 1. Getting the artificer gear level weapons so you can play tier 3 can be a little bit more challenging.

[Salty Slothy]

Originally posted by VengeanceBringer:

Originally posted by Salty Slothy:

This game is insufferable jumping from average to substantial. Absolutely miserable. But when you finally get tier 3 kit it does become MORE bearable but they need to tone down the damage sponge stuff.

I second this. The initial jump into getting the armory data was far worse. Once I actually had it I dialed it back to tier 2 and leveled up the new guns (playing as a heavy here). With the perks I am able to do substantial like it was the previous difficulty. The damage you get with the new gear really helps. I think the big issue is that the first difficulties are geared towards the standard issue or master-crafted gear and you can get the master-crafted gear from the tier 1. Getting the artificer gear level weapons so you can play tier 3 can be a little bit more challenging.

They need to explain how the stat system works. Because the kill efficiency is definitely not even close to what "1+" damage per shot would equate.

[Modern Colonial]

Once you get purple gear it'll get easier, but you gotta take your lumps and power through until then (or get lucky and get carried). Average to substantial is a huge jump. The first mission is probably the easiest so try that. The minoris enemies are a bit too spongy on the higher difficulties, I wish that they had more of them with less health instead. A gaunt should not take 5 bolt rounds to kill.

[Salty Slothy]

Originally posted by Modern Colonial:

Once you get purple gear it'll get easier, but you gotta take your lumps and power through until then (or get lucky and get carried). Average to substantial is a huge jump. The first mission is probably the easiest so try that. The minoris enemies are a bit too spongy on the higher difficulties, I wish that they had more of them with less health instead. A gaunt should not take 5 bolt rounds to kill.

See that's what I'd rather have. Give me just a jaw dropping number of enemies instead of them just soaking shots.