How many of you actually know warhammer 40k lore and content

[Subway Spicy Italian]

Is this your first time seeing/playing/hearing about the grimdark universe of WH40K or are you a fan of the franchise and know/consume lore and content

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[Ronin Gamer]

I have a basic understanding of a various amount of things, but no I never partook in table top anything in my youth, and even to this day very few video games set in the 40k universe really make me want to continue to learn about it. I missed a number of the older titles, and honestly don't have the biggest interest to go and pick those up and possibly struggle to make them work, and a lot of games that flooded in the recent past were not great even if you know very little about the series.
About the only one that truly made me genuinely interested was Rogue Trader, but that was likely because it was an rpg, and while I'm not into everything owlcat keeps doing in their games, when it's just the base combat and rpg mechanics of a crpg, I'm totally down for them and enjoy them a lot.
Other than that, not much else has kept me interested or to learn more than what is needed to get the basics. I kinda doubt this one will be different, but who knows, maybe it'll do something for it.
Personally I'd like more rpgs or more modern takes on rts style games in 40k. That would work for me I think.

[Subway Spicy Italian]

Originally posted by Nannomachine:

Tell me about Ur'Mom

Look up Nurgle

[Wheee333ee33e3e]

I was there when cruddace wrote the 5th edition tyranid codex and shafted us for 6 entire editions.

I started in 3rd edition when they'd sacrifice an entire company to take back lost plasma weapons as they were so rare. These days they have plasma coming out of the wazoo.

Lore has completely changed. I prefer the grim dark, everything is rare and knowledge is being lost. 40k is really noble bright these days, with the return of primarchs and stuff

[Subway Spicy Italian]

Originally posted by Eren Jäger:

How can you keep track of all the information on the internet? Are there any novels you would recommend to a newcomer?

Bricky will cover the basic stuff for WH40k. Find Lord Deplorable’s comment.

Can’t really recommend the novels as there’s so many and would take years to read.

[Petra]

Actively build tyranid minnies. Working on a hive behemoth colorscheme

[Wheee333ee33e3e]

Originally posted by Subway Spicy Italian:

Originally posted by Eren Jäger:

How can you keep track of all the information on the internet? Are there any novels you would recommend to a newcomer?

Bricky will cover the basic stuff for WH40k. Find Lord Deplorable’s comment.

Can’t really recommend the novels as there’s so many and would take years to read.

The main rulebook and the codex of each faction used to cover all the lore. Not sure if it still does. I used to get codex of other factions just to read lore. They used to have a blurb about each unit. I stopped buying 6th Ed onwards, so no idea how it is now

[Sagramorelkc]

Originally posted by mungofatkid:

So, what can you tell me about Malal?

We don't talk about Malal

[Faptor]

Originally posted by Kalrim Frosthill:

3. gatekeeping the hobby from people genuinely interested in the setting is lame and dumb

For every 1 person thats genuinely into the setting 100 want to change/ruin everything.
Just like what happened to Star Wars, Star Trek, LotR, BattleTech, D&D, C&C, Fallout, TES, PC Gaming, 40k ..pretty much everything gets ruined by going mainstream.

Everyone ruins everything xD
I dont even think is malicious, for the most part, but a side effect of tons of people not actually caring about the new thing they are getting into and just wanting to socialise. It leads to the original thing getting hijacked and ruined to suit people that will just as easily move on to the next New Thing. All the original people who actually liked the setting are left displaced and holding the bag.

[Eightball]

If you look at my steam profile, you'll see my extent in the hobby, lol.

As for the people asking where to learn about the lore. Wellllll. A million places. It's so extensive I don't think even the hardcorest of hardcore fanboi's even could know it all. There are so many books you could fill a library.

But really, if you wanna learn, the question is what is your preferred poison? Audiobooks? Youtube content streamers? Movies? Series? Games? All of the above? Because it's all there.

Do you like your stories lighthearted and almost comical? Grimdark and gritty? Deep and thoughtful? It's all pretty varied stuff.

It's not so much about where to start, but which method of being told stories you prefer. Just pick your preferred type and dive in.

There really isn't a solid starting point for this kind of thing, just start figuring out which aspects of 40k interest you and youtube those. E.g. interested in space marines? Go youtube and find out what they are and how they are made. Interested in the founding of the empire of the mankind? Or would you rather hear about the methods of how tyranid swarms devour worlds? Or how Orks procreate? Or why half of the Eldar are dark? Or why the heresy happened?

Each of these mostly in their own right can have entire series or many many books dedicated to it and often do.

[Eightball]

Originally posted by Faptor:

Originally posted by Kalrim Frosthill:

3. gatekeeping the hobby from people genuinely interested in the setting is lame and dumb

For every 1 person thats genuinely into the setting 100 want to change/ruin everything.
Just like what happened to Star Wars, Star Trek, LotR, BattleTech, D&D, C&C, Fallout, TES, PC Gaming, 40k ..pretty much everything gets ruined by going mainstream.

Everyone ruins everything xD
I dont even think is malicious, for the most part, but a side effect of tons of people not actually caring about the new thing they are getting into and just wanting to socialise. It leads to the original thing getting hijacked and ruined to suit people that will just as easily move on to the next New Thing. All the original people who actually liked the setting are left displaced and holding the bag.

Mate its messed up. Why would anyone want to change a story? It's a story. It's fiction. It's not real. They have no idea how to separate fiction from reality. Stories are not supposed to mimic or mirror your real life morals or ideals. Fiction is deliberately different to what modern day politics are, and that's the entire point of it being a fiction story. Like, by reading it, you aren't agreeing with the politics of the Imperium of Man, though the reaction these people have you'd think you were?

It's not supposed to be real life, or mimic it, and it's not trying to be a template of some kind for what future society is supposed to be. Why would anyone even want to cry about a fictional story. If they don't like it, go write their own fictional story. It's so stupid. Goes for people on both sides of the argument, it needs to end already and people need to understand what a fictional story is and what it is for, because they can't seem to grasp the difference between a fiction and reality.

[Faptor]

Originally posted by Eightball:

Mate its messed up. Why would anyone want to change a story? It's a story. It's fiction. It's not real. They have no idea how to separate fiction from reality. Stories are not supposed to mimic or mirror your real life morals or ideals. Fiction is deliberately different to what modern day politics are, and that's the entire point of it being a fiction story. Like, by reading it, you aren't agreeing with the politics of the Imperium of Man, though the reaction these people have you'd think you were?

It's not supposed to be real life, or mimic it, and it's not trying to be a template of some kind for what future society is supposed to be. Why would anyone even want to cry about a fictional story. If they don't like it, go write their own fictional story. It's so stupid. Goes for people on both sides of the argument, it needs to end already and people need to understand what a fictional story is and what it is for, because they can't seem to grasp the difference between a fiction and reality.

I wish I was half as intelligent or eloquent as you because that was so perfectly said and typed so quickly im amazed. Really, really well said.

Absolute truth.

[Aradea]

Demon Kielbasa. Enough said for the ones who know. The ones who don't.... you don't want to know...

[Eightball]

Originally posted by Faptor:

Originally posted by Eightball:

Mate its messed up. Why would anyone want to change a story? It's a story. It's fiction. It's not real. They have no idea how to separate fiction from reality. Stories are not supposed to mimic or mirror your real life morals or ideals. Fiction is deliberately different to what modern day politics are, and that's the entire point of it being a fiction story. Like, by reading it, you aren't agreeing with the politics of the Imperium of Man, though the reaction these people have you'd think you were?

It's not supposed to be real life, or mimic it, and it's not trying to be a template of some kind for what future society is supposed to be. Why would anyone even want to cry about a fictional story. If they don't like it, go write their own fictional story. It's so stupid. Goes for people on both sides of the argument, it needs to end already and people need to understand what a fictional story is and what it is for, because they can't seem to grasp the difference between a fiction and reality.

I wish I was half as intelligent or eloquent as you because that was so perfectly said and typed so quickly im amazed. Really, really well said.

Absolute truth.

Cheers ;)

[Wheee333ee33e3e]

Originally posted by Eightball:

Originally posted by Faptor:

For every 1 person thats genuinely into the setting 100 want to change/ruin everything.
Just like what happened to Star Wars, Star Trek, LotR, BattleTech, D&D, C&C, Fallout, TES, PC Gaming, 40k ..pretty much everything gets ruined by going mainstream.

Everyone ruins everything xD
I dont even think is malicious, for the most part, but a side effect of tons of people not actually caring about the new thing they are getting into and just wanting to socialise. It leads to the original thing getting hijacked and ruined to suit people that will just as easily move on to the next New Thing. All the original people who actually liked the setting are left displaced and holding the bag.

Mate its messed up. Why would anyone want to change a story? It's a story. It's fiction. It's not real. They have no idea how to separate fiction from reality. Stories are not supposed to mimic or mirror your real life morals or ideals. Fiction is deliberately different to what modern day politics are, and that's the entire point of it being a fiction story. Like, by reading it, you aren't agreeing with the politics of the Imperium of Man, though the reaction these people have you'd think you were?

It's not supposed to be real life, or mimic it, and it's not trying to be a template of some kind for what future society is supposed to be. Why would anyone even want to cry about a fictional story. If they don't like it, go write their own fictional story. It's so stupid. Goes for people on both sides of the argument, it needs to end already and people need to understand what a fictional story is and what it is for, because they can't seem to grasp the difference between a fiction and reality.

Issue is they've written too many noblebright characters for Iom, so people look at these noblebright characters like gaunt or Cain and think that supporting the fascist paradoy iom is cool. Things got worse once primarchs started coming back, plus a ton of other heroes, so they had to retcon tons of stuff to somewhat sterilise the iom.

You could truly write about how repressive and insane the iom was from 3rd to 6th without injecting any politics into it, because there was no noblebright hero figures. Everyone is borderline insane, and everything is grim dark. It was permanently 2 minutes to midnight, just before the turn of the 42nd millennium.

The rot already started long before any of the sjw or woke mind virus showed up. The rot started because authors couldn't help but put their self insert into the story. GW gives their writers too much freedom, just like how they let cruddace destroy nids in 5th because he's a tread head and didn't like bugs. Eldar has been the most powerful faction 10 editions straight just because Phil Kelly plays them.

[Faptor]

Originally posted by Wheee333ee33e3e:

The rot already started long before any of the sjw or woke mind virus showed up. The rot started because authors couldn't help but put their self insert into the story. GW gives their writers too much freedom, just like how they let cruddace destroy nids in 5th because he's a tread head and didn't like bugs.

This is crazy, I didn't actually expect to see such good discussion on these forums xD

Ya know, I think you're 100% right, especially about things being nobelbright. Like, every now and then its fine to have a Ciaphas Cain thats a Gary Stu, adds levity to such a horrible universe and gives a comedic aspect to the absurd horrors of it all. Every single 40k story shouldn't be a cheeky wink or even have a good ending, its fine if sometimes the protagonists DON'T win and flat out just get killed off without coming close to completing their mission.

If im going to be 100% honest, I figured it was the beginning of the end when the Primarchs started coming back. Idk.. They had the entire milkyway galaxy to use as a giant sandbox without endangering the plot but they messed it all up.

I wish I wasn't retarded so I could write my own fictional universe..
Hell, id settle for non-schizophrenic forum posting! xD