Hot Take: Melee Combat

[Ch33zyDischarg3]

The melee combat feels way off. Maybe I'm missing something, but the melee combat feels awful to me. You can't parry when more than one medium/big enemy is attacking you and dodging feels useless.

Besides those 2 things, there is no weight or impact behind the melee attacks. Clipping seems to be an issue as well.

The shooting is incredible though. Heavy and impactful.

Anyone else feel the same way about the melee? Anybody have the same issue and then it *clicked* for them?

[4kGamer]

Yeah the parry feels disjointed in the campaign but you can spec the bulwark in co-op to have a longer window.

[Ninefinger]

Yeah cobmat feels hot garbage, man I was hyped for this, the combat looked good but it just aint for me.

The constant unavoidable chip damage and the unavoidable ranged damage and the fact you cant really dodge properly and enemies goon you with no real way to avoid the damage other than to kill properly and heal through it is ridiculous and I just cant get into it.

I had to request refund my disappointment is immeasurable. I really wanted it for the potential PVP aspect but after witnessing the combat first hand then checking out some pvp videos I am just realizing how bad it is.

[Grizz_FMJ]

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

Yeah cobmat feels hot garbage, man I was hyped for this, the combat looked good but it just aint for me.

The constant unavoidable chip damage and the unavoidable ranged damage and the fact you cant really dodge properly and enemies goon you with no real way to avoid the damage other than to kill properly and heal through it is ridiculous and I just cant get into it.

I had to request refund my disappointment is immeasurable. I really wanted it for the potential PVP aspect but after witnessing the combat first hand then checking out some pvp videos I am just realizing how bad it is.

Not to be that guy but thats a skill issue bro. The game takes time to learn the timing of the melee. I got my ass whooped first few hours on veteran. Once you grasp it - it flows smooth.

[SolusiRadikal]

Im sorry but, skill issue
The one problem with this game gameplay is the lack of explanation were it doesn't expalin how you deal with different type of target.
Heavy melee is super good against minoris, since you can at least use bolt execution once which refill your armor and white health, thus allow you to manhandle everything by a proper timing of heavy->shot -->dodge/parry->repeat even on high difficulty

Light attack work best vs majoris and extremis bot because you can force them to use a moveset that you can easily parry or dodge, thus maintaining momentum even vs multiple majoris when bot cornered

[Ninefinger]

Originally posted by Grizz_FMJ:

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

Yeah cobmat feels hot garbage, man I was hyped for this, the combat looked good but it just aint for me.

The constant unavoidable chip damage and the unavoidable ranged damage and the fact you cant really dodge properly and enemies goon you with no real way to avoid the damage other than to kill properly and heal through it is ridiculous and I just cant get into it.

I had to request refund my disappointment is immeasurable. I really wanted it for the potential PVP aspect but after witnessing the combat first hand then checking out some pvp videos I am just realizing how bad it is.

Not to be that guy but thats a skill issue bro. The game takes time to learn the timing of the melee. I got my ass whooped first few hours on veteran. Once you grasp it - it flows smooth.

its not about skill its about the mechanic, the point of realization on how crap it is is when the first time i was gooned I die fast then teh second time I somehow went through it like a breeze because i landed a well timed parry and then got an execute. So basically you need to budget your health against the chip damage and learn how to heal off the enemies in combat. This is would be fine if the opportunities for these heals were provided as needed not at random. it is possible to be gooned by chip damage without being presented the opportunity to heal through combat. Its terrible.

Good combat is where you can master avoiding damage with skill and thats what makes a well timed parry feel good in a game where combat is done well.

[The dog]

Originally posted by SolusiRadikal:

Im sorry but, skill issue
The one problem with this game gameplay is the lack of explanation were it doesn't expalin how you deal with different type of target.
Heavy melee is super good against minoris, since you can at least use bolt execution once which refill your armor and white health, thus allow you to manhandle everything by a proper timing of heavy->shot -->dodge/parry->repeat even on high difficulty

Light attack work best vs majoris and extremis bot because you can force them to use a moveset that you can easily parry or dodge, thus maintaining momentum even vs multiple majoris when bot cornered

Everyone needs to follow this guys example and learn to cheat engine. Thats the real skill issue.

[Cheyenesku]

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

Originally posted by Grizz_FMJ:

Not to be that guy but thats a skill issue bro. The game takes time to learn the timing of the melee. I got my ass whooped first few hours on veteran. Once you grasp it - it flows smooth.

its not about skill its about the mechanic, the point of realization on how crap it is is when the first time i was gooned I die fast then teh second time I somehow went through it like a breeze because i landed a well timed parry and then got an execute. So basically you need to budget your health against the chip damage and learn how to heal off the enemies in combat. This is would be fine if the opportunities for these heals were provided as needed not at random. it is possible to be gooned by chip damage without being presented the opportunity to heal through combat. Its terrible.

Good combat is where you can master avoiding damage with skill and thats what makes a well timed parry feel good in a game where combat is done well.

Yes, it is skill isssue, read the explanation above. Also you cant avoid damage when you are swarmed, plus you have multiple ways to heal. And none of them are random. You calling it that just clearly proves its a skill issue for you

[SidneyBoo]

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

Originally posted by Grizz_FMJ:

Not to be that guy but thats a skill issue bro. The game takes time to learn the timing of the melee. I got my ass whooped first few hours on veteran. Once you grasp it - it flows smooth.

its not about skill its about the mechanic, the point of realization on how crap it is is when the first time i was gooned I die fast then teh second time I somehow went through it like a breeze because i landed a well timed parry and then got an execute. So basically you need to budget your health against the chip damage and learn how to heal off the enemies in combat. This is would be fine if the opportunities for these heals were provided as needed not at random. it is possible to be gooned by chip damage without being presented the opportunity to heal through combat. Its terrible.

Good combat is where you can master avoiding damage with skill and thats what makes a well timed parry feel good in a game where combat is done well.

Have you tried closing distances, or do you just stand there letting stuff shoot you, because ur saying theres no melee enemies to leach off but ur also just dying to ranged... lol

[Grizz_FMJ]

Originally posted by SidneyBoo:

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

its not about skill its about the mechanic, the point of realization on how crap it is is when the first time i was gooned I die fast then teh second time I somehow went through it like a breeze because i landed a well timed parry and then got an execute. So basically you need to budget your health against the chip damage and learn how to heal off the enemies in combat. This is would be fine if the opportunities for these heals were provided as needed not at random. it is possible to be gooned by chip damage without being presented the opportunity to heal through combat. Its terrible.

Good combat is where you can master avoiding damage with skill and thats what makes a well timed parry feel good in a game where combat is done well.

Have you tried closing distances, or do you just stand there letting stuff shoot you, because ur saying theres no melee enemies to leach off but ur also just dying to ranged... lol

Lol for real

[Ch33zyDischarg3]

Yea, it's bad. Refunded and wait for sale.

[iced mcfurry]

Originally posted by SidneyBoo:

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

its not about skill its about the mechanic, the point of realization on how crap it is is when the first time i was gooned I die fast then teh second time I somehow went through it like a breeze because i landed a well timed parry and then got an execute. So basically you need to budget your health against the chip damage and learn how to heal off the enemies in combat. This is would be fine if the opportunities for these heals were provided as needed not at random. it is possible to be gooned by chip damage without being presented the opportunity to heal through combat. Its terrible.

Good combat is where you can master avoiding damage with skill and thats what makes a well timed parry feel good in a game where combat is done well.

Have you tried closing distances, or do you just stand there letting stuff shoot you, because ur saying theres no melee enemies to leach off but ur also just dying to ranged... lol

not really a whole lot of options to leech off melee enemies when the game doesn't actually heal you properly like it did in the first game when you do an execution

[Ch33zyDischarg3]

Originally posted by iced mcfurry:

Originally posted by SidneyBoo:

Have you tried closing distances, or do you just stand there letting stuff shoot you, because ur saying theres no melee enemies to leach off but ur also just dying to ranged... lol

not really a whole lot of options to leech off melee enemies when the game doesn't actually heal you properly like it did in the first game when you do an execution

Yes, this is another issue. The game wants you play aggressively, but punishes you when you do.

[Shinkiro]

Originally posted by Ch33zyDischarg3:

Sorry man. No "Skill Issue" posts when your English is that bad. I cant decifer half of what you typed.

Imagine insulting someone's English ability on a perfectly legible post when you can't even spell "decipher".

They are right btw, its a skill issue but rather than admit that you insult them, which tells everyone its the truth.

[][T-Bone][]

Originally posted by Ninefinger:

Yeah cobmat feels hot garbage, man I was hyped for this, the combat looked good but it just aint for me.

The constant unavoidable chip damage and the unavoidable ranged damage and the fact you cant really dodge properly and enemies goon you with no real way to avoid the damage other than to kill properly and heal through it is ridiculous and I just cant get into it.

I had to request refund my disappointment is immeasurable. I really wanted it for the potential PVP aspect but after witnessing the combat first hand then checking out some pvp videos I am just realizing how bad it is.

ye it sucks honestly, doing lights and heavies is useless you are better off just spam rolling or perfect dodge and gunstrike spam, then use your guns

[Luckiernut]

It’s actually really fun because timing blocks and attacks correctly is important so you can’t just spam to win