Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2

Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2

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congrae Sep 5, 2024 @ 2:01pm
Why people whining about EOS in reviews?
Palworld have it, Elden Ring have it, Warframe etc, even old Payday 2, but here it's suddenly a massive issue.
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Fish-E Sep 5, 2024 @ 2:08pm 
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It's always been an issue.

It just means a worse experience (than Steamworks) and is only used in order to comply with Epic Games Store requirements; however the vast vast vast majority of sales come from Steam (or 3rd party stores that provide Steam keys)...

Tl;dr inferior service that everyone has to use to accommodate 1% of players.
SLDFMechwarrior Sep 5, 2024 @ 2:10pm 
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Because the natural state of a gamer is to have something long and hard permanently stuck up their ass. IDK, I just ignore all this stuff anyone. When I see someone ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about Epic Games or something I just shrug and continue on. Game looks amazing, and I'm happy to play it.
rhm Sep 5, 2024 @ 2:14pm 
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EOS (unstable) infrastructure is far more inferior than Steamworks
BinaryJay Sep 5, 2024 @ 2:15pm 
Originally posted by Fish-E:
It's always been an issue.

It just means a worse experience (than Steamworks) and is only used in order to comply with Epic Games Store requirements; however the vast vast vast majority of sales come from Steam (or 3rd party stores that provide Steam keys)...

Tl;dr inferior service that everyone has to use to accommodate 1% of players.

If you're only playing with people on Steam it's not even doing anything and only exists so people, for whatever might be THEIR reason for buying it on Epic (maybe there's a sale or promotion, maybe they have a bunch of store credit, whatever...) can still play with their friends on Steam. Sane people will just ignore it.
ko Sep 5, 2024 @ 2:19pm 
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It is an additional, untrusted background service that is installed on my PC without actual consent. Any sane person will reject such trash on their PCs. I uninstalled it promptly and luckily single player works fine as the game starts without the garbage EOS service present. Otherwise I would have refunded the game just as quickly.

Edit: I refunded EDF6 because that pile of trash doesn't even launch for single player if you uninstall EOS. No regrets. Just reject EOS.
Last edited by ko; Sep 5, 2024 @ 2:20pm
Salty Slothy Sep 5, 2024 @ 2:19pm 
Originally posted by Fish-E:
It's always been an issue.

It just means a worse experience (than Steamworks) and is only used in order to comply with Epic Games Store requirements; however the vast vast vast majority of sales come from Steam (or 3rd party stores that provide Steam keys)...

Tl;dr inferior service that everyone has to use to accommodate 1% of players.
It is definitely not 1% of players, but I will agree it is steam that has far more players at any given time. Frankly, the difference will be so insignificant that no one will care aside from turbo nerds like us.
Wicked Sep 5, 2024 @ 2:21pm 
Idk about others but I personally hate Tim like damn. Also EGS is bad and cancer of gaming.
omgitsbees Sep 5, 2024 @ 2:22pm 
No one is buying games on Epic. EOS adds nothing of value. It's just not necessary.
congrae Sep 5, 2024 @ 2:37pm 
Simply don't get why Space Marines 2 getting selective treatment. I scrolled negative reviews on few games with eos and haven't saw anyone mentioning it as problem, V Rising for example. Even purely single player Ghostrunner for some reason have eos but i haven't saw it being mentioned in negative reviews.
Elegant Caveman Sep 5, 2024 @ 4:23pm 
Originally posted by congrae:
Palworld have it, Elden Ring have it, Warframe etc, even old Payday 2, but here it's suddenly a massive issue.

And that's a big part of why I'll never touch those games.

EOS is an invasive cancer ruining games. It's spyware/malware, Epic trying to bribe their way into relevance by infecting everyone's systems without their consent, because they know they can't achieve relevance through legitimate means.

Originally posted by ko:
It is an additional, untrusted background service that is installed on my PC without actual consent. Any sane person will reject such trash on their PCs. I uninstalled it promptly and luckily single player works fine as the game starts without the garbage EOS service present. Otherwise I would have refunded the game just as quickly.

Edit: I refunded EDF6 because that pile of trash doesn't even launch for single player if you uninstall EOS. No regrets. Just reject EOS.

You don't "uninstall" EOS. It's just files in the game's install folder. If you uninstalled something, it wasn't EOS. If the game is installing something Epic-related, it's probably the EOS overlay (related to EOS, but not EOS itself).

Probably. I'm guessing this, based on other games I've seen with EOS (theoretically possible this is a new implementation of EOS I'm not aware of).

To be sure, you'd need to monitor what connections the game is making... I'd bet that even after you uninstalled whatever it was that you did, the game's still connecting to Epic's servers, even if you're just playing singleplayer.

If it's not, well... that would be surprising, and great news.

Originally posted by congrae:
Even purely single player Ghostrunner for some reason have eos but i haven't saw it being mentioned in negative reviews.

Extremely rare exceptions aside (I only know of one, Insurmountable), purely-singleplayer "with EOS" don't actually make use of it. They're just inactive files.

The dll files are still there in the game's install folder, so they show up in the list of games with EOS[steamdb.info], but it's not active.

Most of the time, those files can just be deleted, and the game works fine.

In some few games, the game won't run if you delete the files, but it's still not "active" and doesn't connect to Epic's servers when you play.

For almost every game that has some kind of multiplayer and uses EOS, EOS is mandatory, and breaks the game if you block EOS.

There are some rare exceptions where EOS only "activates" (i.e. connects to Epic's servers) when you play multiplayer, and some rare exceptions where the game actually asks you if you want to use EOS at all, but yeah... rare.

Originally posted by congrae:
Simply don't get why Space Marines 2 getting selective treatment. I scrolled negative reviews on few games with eos and haven't saw anyone mentioning it as problem, V Rising for example. Even purely single player Ghostrunner for some reason have eos but i haven't saw it being mentioned in negative reviews.

Possibly simply because it's something people are becoming more and more aware of, and are finally getting louder about it.

It was the same thing when Denuvo first showed up as well.

These invasive near-malware things tend to fly under the radar for a while, and as more and more people become aware of how bad they are, dissent keeps growing.

About time it happened for EOS. It's been ruining games for years. It's especially bad when it gets added to old games, years after release.
Is this Steam or Epic?
Last edited by Sir Seanicus, Esq.; Sep 5, 2024 @ 4:25pm
A. Sep 8, 2024 @ 4:03am 
Originally posted by BinaryJay:
Originally posted by Fish-E:
It's always been an issue.

It just means a worse experience (than Steamworks) and is only used in order to comply with Epic Games Store requirements; however the vast vast vast majority of sales come from Steam (or 3rd party stores that provide Steam keys)...

Tl;dr inferior service that everyone has to use to accommodate 1% of players.

If you're only playing with people on Steam it's not even doing anything and only exists so people, for whatever might be THEIR reason for buying it on Epic (maybe there's a sale or promotion, maybe they have a bunch of store credit, whatever...) can still play with their friends on Steam. Sane people will just ignore it.

Thats precisely the point - the vast vast majority of people (roughly ~80% ? or even more) playing SM2 on PC will be on Steam. So if they only play on Steam, and don't care to play with Epic gamers, why should they have 3rd party software installed that serves no purpose? It is essentially bloatware at that point. The issue is that they didn't choose to install it, it was chosen for them. Installing EOS should be optional in the installer. I uninstalled it manually, but I shouldn't have to do that. There should be a tickbox to opt out of it in the installer.

Ideally, every piece of software that comes with a product that does not serve a critical purpose, should be optional. You see this all the time with pretty much every application installer - such as Razer synapse, media players, Adobe stuff, etc., so why should this be any different?
Last edited by A.; Sep 8, 2024 @ 4:10am
Elegant Caveman Sep 8, 2024 @ 5:48am 
Originally posted by yarrp:
Originally posted by BinaryJay:

If you're only playing with people on Steam it's not even doing anything and only exists so people, for whatever might be THEIR reason for buying it on Epic (maybe there's a sale or promotion, maybe they have a bunch of store credit, whatever...) can still play with their friends on Steam. Sane people will just ignore it.

Thats precisely the point - the vast vast majority of people (roughly ~80% ? or even more) playing SM2 on PC will be on Steam. So if they only play on Steam, and don't care to play with Epic gamers, why should they have 3rd party software installed that serves no purpose? It is essentially bloatware at that point. The issue is that they didn't choose to install it, it was chosen for them. Installing EOS should be optional in the installer. I uninstalled it manually, but I shouldn't have to do that. There should be a tickbox to opt out of it in the installer.

Ideally, every piece of software that comes with a product that does not serve a critical purpose, should be optional. You see this all the time with pretty much every application installer - such as Razer synapse, media players, Adobe stuff, etc., so why should this be any different?

Agreed with the general sentiment (i.e. it should all be optional), but I'd just like to clarify something:

First, I missed BinaryJay's post last time I replied, and it's important to note that EOS is almost certainly always phoning home to Epic's servers, even if you're just playing singleplayer, let alone playing multiplayer with just people on Steam.

So it's still doing something even if you're not playing with people on Epic.

To be fair, I'm not 100% certain of this, as I don't have the game and haven't tested it myself, but that's how EOS usually operates in other games. It's theoretically possible this is a new/different implementation of EOS, but that's highly unlikely.

Second, EOS isn't stand-alone software (unless it's a new version?). It's part of the game's base installation, usually just a dll file, though sometimes a couple of files.

If the game's actually installing Epic-related software, it's most likely the EOS Overlay[dev.epicgames.com], which is (obviously) related to EOS, but not EOS itself.

Again, just an educated guess based on past tests/experience, but very likely.

Point being, if you've uninstalled something and the game still works, you most likely haven't gotten rid of EOS.

For anyone who really wants to make sure, monitor your network connections when you run the game.

EOS won't show up as an independent process in task manager or whatever, since it's integrated in the game itself. You need to check what connections the game's making.

I personally use GlassWire[www.glasswire.com], which is free, but feel free to use your tool of choice.
Key Sep 8, 2024 @ 11:28am 
i dont know what your talking about, warframe does not, my palworld goes threw steamworks and elden ring still uses the DS3 connection method that is heavily modified off of DS2. also elden ring runs alot of unity code which epic does not like at all.
Elegant Caveman Sep 8, 2024 @ 12:25pm 
Originally posted by Key:
i dont know what your talking about, warframe does not, my palworld goes threw steamworks and elden ring still uses the DS3 connection method that is heavily modified off of DS2. also elden ring runs alot of unity code which epic does not like at all.

Hard to believe...

For multiplayer games that have EOS, it's usually active, unlike purely-singleplayer games.

The only ones I've encountered where it wasn't active as soon as you launch the game was just because it was optional, not that it wasn't used at all.

You checked network connections for all three?
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