Is Warhammer 40k LGBTQ friendly?

[Gee]

Hey all. really looking forward to this but had a quick question

I'm not trying to start an argument about the lore or anything. I'm just curious if there are any of such characters represented in 40k, and would they be in this game? (That would be a bonus)

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by donder172:

Originally posted by KimjonIl:

They allow women as front-line troops... so yes 40k is very inclusive.

Reminds of a comment earlier of 40k being inclusive because women are used to raise Traitor Astartes... through Daemonculaba.

If you are faint of heart and don't know what that is, DO NOT look it up.

Shawty, the Daemonculaba is some weak sauce grimderp. Bobo the Clown or whatever that Servitor toy for that one guy is more disturbing than that. It's one of those things that goes so grimdark it's derpy

[donder172]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Originally posted by donder172:

Reminds of a comment earlier of 40k being inclusive because women are used to raise Traitor Astartes... through Daemonculaba.

If you are faint of heart and don't know what that is, DO NOT look it up.

Shawty, the Daemonculaba is some weak sauce grimderp. Bobo the Clown or whatever that Servitor toy for that one guy is more disturbing than that. It's one of those things that goes so grimdark it's derpy

For those familiar with 40k, perhaps. But we're talking with tourists here.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by donder172:

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Shawty, the Daemonculaba is some weak sauce grimderp. Bobo the Clown or whatever that Servitor toy for that one guy is more disturbing than that. It's one of those things that goes so grimdark it's derpy

For those familiar with 40k, perhaps. But we're talking with tourists here.

I showed it to a close friend of mine who isn't familar with 40k. And he agrees it's just grimpderp. It's one of those boring things authors do where it's all "Look, we have women being sexually assaulted to show how gRimDArK this is ooooo". Same boring ♥♥♥♥ as with the Beserkers from Gears of War.

[macs02ro]

Yes, very. The emperors children in particular lol

[Noir]

Sure is.

[Naamtar]

Originally posted by Ruck:

Originally posted by donder172:

It's been emphasized multiple times that female Astartes is not possible. Just because it's fantasy does it mean you can just change what's already established. It wouldn't work.

Your thoughts on the rigidity of 40k lore are laughable. 40k is probably THE poster child for a franchise changing lore because it sounded cool.

GW can change any lore they want for any reason and can justify it in lore in one of 10000 ways. The lore has already changed more times than you've changed underwear. Do you even know what Custodes originally were before they became the shiny golden bodyguards of the emperor? Read up on the old necron lore. It's significantly different than what we have today. MUCH larger changes have occurred in 40k lore with much less fuss.

In a universe where they can create a god like super soldier from the ground up, where they have weapons that can shoot black holes, where some factions have actually mastered the laws of physics entirely, I don't think they'd really struggle with adapting the Astartes techniques to females. Belisarius Cawl probably already figured this out in universe and it's just not widely published.

The real reason we don't have female Astartes is very likely due to a real life decision regarding the mini's that were for sale in the 1980s when the fanbase could be measured in the low thousands. The lore is not be beholden to a 40 year old business decision.

Also, Female Space Marines already sort of existed in lore back in the Rogue Trader days depending what you count as canon. What has already been changed can certainly be changed again:

https://old.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/6p2bm9/til_that_female_space_marines_were_actually_canon/

https://gamesworkshop.fandom.com/wiki/Female_Space_Marines

Negging on well established lore just for the sake of inclusion is not the best business move. It's how you piss off a ton of your dedicated playerbase. There needs to be a logical reason for it that fits into the universe, and in this case it would have to be a really good reason if you don't want a ton of fans rolling their eyes. I personally can't think one up that doesn't just come off as pandering. I think it would be a very hard sell to a lot of fans without an extremely compelling foundation.

[korn_dawg]

If by LGBT you mean they let guys be terminated, for sure

[ForrestFox]

Originally posted by Gee:

I'm not trying to start an argument about the lore or anything. I'm just curious if there are any of such characters represented in 40k, and would they be in this game? (That would be a bonus)

I'll direct you to Slaanesh or the Dark Eldars, they are all about LBTQ and other twisted gender bender stuff. :)
The WH40K community have you covered. :)
As for strong and powerfu females, then that would be either Adeptus Sororitas or a bit of Eldar/Imperial Guards.

[Ruck]

Originally posted by Naamtar:

Originally posted by Ruck:

Your thoughts on the rigidity of 40k lore are laughable. 40k is probably THE poster child for a franchise changing lore because it sounded cool.

GW can change any lore they want for any reason and can justify it in lore in one of 10000 ways. The lore has already changed more times than you've changed underwear. Do you even know what Custodes originally were before they became the shiny golden bodyguards of the emperor? Read up on the old necron lore. It's significantly different than what we have today. MUCH larger changes have occurred in 40k lore with much less fuss.

In a universe where they can create a god like super soldier from the ground up, where they have weapons that can shoot black holes, where some factions have actually mastered the laws of physics entirely, I don't think they'd really struggle with adapting the Astartes techniques to females. Belisarius Cawl probably already figured this out in universe and it's just not widely published.

The real reason we don't have female Astartes is very likely due to a real life decision regarding the mini's that were for sale in the 1980s when the fanbase could be measured in the low thousands. The lore is not be beholden to a 40 year old business decision.

Also, Female Space Marines already sort of existed in lore back in the Rogue Trader days depending what you count as canon. What has already been changed can certainly be changed again:

https://old.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/6p2bm9/til_that_female_space_marines_were_actually_canon/

https://gamesworkshop.fandom.com/wiki/Female_Space_Marines

Negging on well established lore just for the sake of inclusion is not the best business move. It's how you piss off a ton of your dedicated playerbase. There needs to be a logical reason for it that fits into the universe, and in this case it would have to be a really good reason if you don't want a ton of fans rolling their eyes. I personally can't think one up that doesn't just come off as pandering. I think it would be a very hard sell to a lot of fans without an extremely compelling foundation.

I don't think GW gives a ♥♥♥♥ about the type of "fans" that would walk away from the franchise over it. They've pretty much said that explicitly and repeatedly.

Also, you lack imagination if you can't think of a single way to fit it into the lore where we have sentient(ish) servitors, man/machine infused hybrids (dreadnaughts/pretty much the entire admech faction), drukhari genetic shenanigans, not to mention the whole Primaris thing that is almost a direct comparison to the kind of newly discovered genetic manipulation it would require.

40k lore literally has a built in mechanic to introduce anything GW desires with STC's. The amount of theorized lost knowledge from the age of technology would almost certainly solve such a trivial problem as "but but but females". They were manipulating time space, I don't think human genetics would be a problem for the AoT humanity. Furthermore, 40k humanity is not the pinnacle of genetic manipulation. There's absolutely a very compelling story you could tell about someone like Cawl "borrowing" information from one of the elder races to create female Astartes.

The controversy that might spawn within the universe should anyone find out where the new knowledge came from and the ensuing challenges to someone as powerful as Cawl would all be interesting story beats to explore.

That said, i don't really feel strongly either way about the introduction of female astartes. If they do it, i hope they treat it with respect and create interesting stories, but GW should not fear a backlash from a portion of the community that we'd be better off without anyways.

[DJTarjan]

just one embrace Slaanesh you will fit right in!

[Killerkitty641]

Originally posted by ArmstrongDicksmasher:

Originally posted by Gee:

Hey all. really looking forward to this but had a quick question

I'm not trying to start an argument about the lore or anything. I'm just curious if there are any of such characters represented in 40k, and would they be in this game? (That would be a bonus)

The only really LGBTQ+ friendly faction are Slanneshi cultists, who are objectively the VERY bad guys, fitting. And to a much lesser extent the Dark Aeldari, who are also very bad guys. Tau would likely be neutral towards LGBTQ+ factions so long as they played nice and participated in the greater good without causing trouble in society, which is a dubious outcome but a definite maybe.

The closest thing mankind has to trans people are the Callidus assassins, people given drugs that allow them to change appearance, shape, and even race and species entirely, they are kind of disposable, all of them completely psychotic by nature, and trained to be merciless serial killers, im not sure if you think that's decent representation really.

Aside from that? no, for you see, to those truly understanding of the lore, the Emperor of mankind is the biggest incel in the history of humanity. His influence has changed the entire galaxy in a permanent fashion, even if some of his edicts and ideals have been warped and lost to time. Hell, he might even be a 42,000+ year old virgin for all we know.

Custodes and Space Marines are male-only factions who were custom-designed by the emperor alongside humanities greatest scientists (no, Erda is bad fan-fiction she doesn't count), the Custodes work alongside the emperor directly, they are genetically attuned to him and follow his will slavishly without hesitation, and they are in turn served by (at the time of the Horus Heresy when the Emperor walked the galaxy) the only female faction the emperor ever accepted into military service, the sisters of silence. It was a compromise you see, the Emperor, being humanities greatest incel since the retcon and removal of the Sensei, has no personal use for women, he wants them silent and in the kitchen making babies he can turn into future Astartes, so making them psychic blanks (who nobody wants to bang) who fight alongside Custodes, but swear an oath to the Emperor to never talk, is GW's compromise, so to speak >.>

I'm uninterested in woke retcons as of the last ~3 or so years, they're simply not real canon, the same way i see rings of power+Disney SW films as very bad fan-fiction. Cultural marxist-influenced storytelling, with a cultish adherence to the poisoned philosophy of "Equity" is inherently evil and i don't recognise anything that stems from that as legitimate art. Forced diversity is a key component of that.

This is actually incorrect, there have been examples of LGBTQ people in warhammer (in the stories and stuff), and there have been since (IIRC?) early 2000s

[Naamtar]

Originally posted by Ruck:

Originally posted by Naamtar:

Negging on well established lore just for the sake of inclusion is not the best business move. It's how you piss off a ton of your dedicated playerbase. There needs to be a logical reason for it that fits into the universe, and in this case it would have to be a really good reason if you don't want a ton of fans rolling their eyes. I personally can't think one up that doesn't just come off as pandering. I think it would be a very hard sell to a lot of fans without an extremely compelling foundation.

I don't think GW gives a ♥♥♥♥ about the type of "fans" that would walk away from the franchise over it. They've pretty much said that explicitly and repeatedly.

Also, you lack imagination if you can't think of a single way to fit it into the lore where we have sentient(ish) servitors, man/machine infused hybrids (dreadnaughts/pretty much the entire admech faction), drukhari genetic shenanigans, not to mention the whole Primaris thing that is almost a direct comparison to the kind of newly discovered genetic manipulation it would require.

40k lore literally has a built in mechanic to introduce anything GW desires with STC's. The amount of theorized lost knowledge from the age of technology would almost certainly solve such a trivial problem as "but but but females". They were manipulating time space, I don't think human genetics would be a problem for the AoT humanity. Furthermore, 40k humanity is not the pinnacle of genetic manipulation. There's absolutely a very compelling story you could tell about someone like Cawl "borrowing" information from one of the elder races to create female Astartes.

The controversy that might spawn within the universe should anyone find out where the new knowledge came from and the ensuing challenges to someone as powerful as Cawl would all be interesting story beats to explore.

That said, i don't really feel strongly either way about the introduction of female astartes. If they do it, i hope they treat it with respect and create interesting stories, but GW should not fear a backlash from a portion of the community that we'd be better off without anyways.

I'm more speaking towards the majority of the community that is pretty much indifferent to this topic. Even the girls I know that are Warhammer fans would roll their eyes at something like that being implemented. I think they'd be better off introducing something new instead of retconning something that's established.

[Ruck]

Originally posted by Naamtar:

I'm more speaking towards the majority of the community that is pretty much indifferent to this topic. Even the girls I know that are Warhammer fans would roll their eyes at something like that being implemented. I think they'd be better off introducing something new instead of retconning something that's established.

I think the majority of the community would embrace it. More customization, new models, more fun stuff to paint. We'd likely get a few more named models to really introduce the lineup. Not really seeing the part that would suck here. The only downside I can really see is that a whole new lineup of SM models would potentially take away attention from some of the other factions that GW should probably focus on bringing up to SM levels.

Also I guess I don't quite understand why this would be considered a retcon vs establishing something new. Discovering "new" and lost technology is rife throughout the 40k universe. One of the supergenius characters like Cawl finding a way to adapt the process for female genetics would be pretty revolutionary in-universe. Heck, maybe he steals the requisite knowledge from a chaos tainted source and the whole introduction of the concept could be learning the process is tainted and Cawl having to figure out how to fix it before the inquisition comes knocking about all his new troops falling to chaos. Lot of options here for open minded fans that just want to roll dice and read good stories.

[KozaqV]

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