on the controversial subject of females

[Bummer6]

We all know about the controversy regarding the female custodes at this point. Lots of people getting very upset about lore and retcons.
Some people are even worried there might be female space marines in the future! imagine such heresy!

But what if I told you that heresy has already occurred and people didn't care?
Does anyone else remember the official female space marine models released for Rogue Trader back in 1987?

If you don't, just google "rogue trader gabs and jayne" or "rogue trader female space marines" and you'll be blessed with some new knowledge.

They're incredibly rough and ugly by today's standards, but they did get released, and there are still unpainted models floating around on ebay if you're willing to pay a pretty penny.
In the end the concept didn't go any further because the models simply didn't sell. It had nothing to do with lore, it was all capitalism, baby.

So if you're worried that GW might retcon something in the future; keep in mind that the fact that we DON'T have female space marines is a retcon in and of itself.

Just enjoy the hobby, folks. If you like the old stuff and don't like the new stuff, the old stuff is still there. I know people who still play 2nd edition and nothing else, believe it or not.

[MRTurnips]

Oh no, you just put together a coherent dialogue with sources.

They are already on their way.

[Narky]

Yep.

They'll cope and say "Uh no they were the prototype Adepta Sororitas"—No. They weren't. Alan Merrett, one of the OG's of GW, pretty much said they originally were Female Space Marines.

They stopped making them because at the time they did not sell. This is changing, the demographics are changing. No matter how much they p*ss and sh*t the bed.

[Arkamus97]

I wonder, if GW were to just go balls to the wall and overload the system with fem space marines, lesbian sororitas, all of it, these anti-woke bro's would blow a fuse and just writhe around on the floor, frothing at the mouth XD

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Bummer6:

Just enjoy the hobby, folks. If you like the old stuff and don't like the new stuff, the old stuff is still there. I know people who still play 2nd edition and nothing else, believe it or not.

I know that's what I do, partially. I take bits of lore from the different ages of Warhammer and role it into my headcanon. Such as the Tau still being genuinely good guys as to further how ♥♥♥♥ their life is when fused to my death guard tanks. Or that Zahndrekh still has dementia, as I think it's more fun that he has it rather than taking it.

[zastcat]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Originally posted by Bummer6:

Just enjoy the hobby, folks. If you like the old stuff and don't like the new stuff, the old stuff is still there. I know people who still play 2nd edition and nothing else, believe it or not.

I know that's what I do, partially. I take bits of lore from the different ages of Warhammer and role it into my headcanon. Such as the Tau still being genuinely good guys as to further how ♥♥♥♥ their life is when fused to my death guard tanks. Or that Zahndrekh still has dementia, as I think it's more fun that he has it rather than taking it.

the tau were ever genuine good guys? wasn't 1 of their 1st lore blurbs literally attacking an agri-world for not joining up?

[MRTurnips]

Originally posted by Arkamus97:

I wonder, if GW were to just go balls to the wall and overload the system with fem space marines, lesbian sororitas, all of it, these anti-woke bro's would blow a fuse and just writhe around on the floor, frothing at the mouth XD

There are signs and the time is right to do it, personally I think it will be done this year or next.

Curiously, delusional people also see this and recognize it, but they twist it for their narrative.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by zastcat:

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

I know that's what I do, partially. I take bits of lore from the different ages of Warhammer and role it into my headcanon. Such as the Tau still being genuinely good guys as to further how ♥♥♥♥ their life is when fused to my death guard tanks. Or that Zahndrekh still has dementia, as I think it's more fun that he has it rather than taking it.

the tau were ever genuine good guys? wasn't 1 of their 1st lore blurbs literally attacking an agri-world for not joining up?

Well, relatively speaking. They at least offered peace first and then attacked if rejected. And this was before their whole mind control schtick.

Plus the people they'd absorbed always seemed to be treated as proper citizens rather than slave labor or whatever

[MRTurnips]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Originally posted by zastcat:

the tau were ever genuine good guys? wasn't 1 of their 1st lore blurbs literally attacking an agri-world for not joining up?

Well, relatively speaking. They at least offered peace first and then attacked if rejected. And this was before their whole mind control schtick.

Plus the people they'd absorbed always seemed to be treated as proper citizens rather than slave labor or whatever

least evil and idiotic faction =\= good faction

[zastcat]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Originally posted by zastcat:

the tau were ever genuine good guys? wasn't 1 of their 1st lore blurbs literally attacking an agri-world for not joining up?

Well, relatively speaking. They at least offered peace first and then attacked if rejected. And this was before their whole mind control schtick.

Plus the people they'd absorbed always seemed to be treated as proper citizens rather than slave labor or whatever

I mean aye, but asking nicely doesn't make "join or die" less of a threatening ultimatum, my point was more that the less "good guy" elements were already present from the start, later content just dropped the subtlety

[Kharnzor]

I doubt there will ever be female space marines, the lore is just to set in stone.
Yes there were female space marine models back in the day but as its been said, they didn't sell so they dropped them.
I believe more should be done with the Sisters of battle (an already established faction with its own lore and very cool models).

[Silhouette]

Roboute Guilliman was poisoned and forever frozen is statis. . . until he wasn't.

There will never ever be female space marines. . . until there is.

GW can take the lore in whatever direction they want (lol and in whatever direction sells more models).

Is the franchise ruined because there's no female space marines? No.
Will the franchise be ruined if they introduce female space marines? No.

[astgdzfgdsg]

Originally posted by Kharn01:

I doubt there will ever be female space marines, the lore is just to set in stone.
Yes there were female space marine models back in the day but as its been said, they didn't sell so they dropped them.
I believe more should be done with the Sisters of battle (an already established faction with its own lore and very cool models).

I thought it was a possibility in like maybe 5-10 years. It would be a shame as I can't imagine a way of them doing it that wouldn't be incredibly transparently criiiiinge, and depending on how it is done it would either degrade or destroy the masculine brotherhood thematic.

But I spoiled myself on this game and after seeing it all I think the chances of it happening have gone down by a lot. It just knows that it is hyper masculine power fantasy, it's self aware. The Black Library who wrote this game I don't believe would want a change of direction for the marines. Changes for other stuff in 40k, yes, Marines, nah.

[Silhouette]

Originally posted by Hierophant with a keyboard:

...Changes for other stuff in 40k, yes, Marines, nah.

lol, as of the introduction of Primaris marines the Marine lore has already been changed. XD

The only constant in the universe is change. ;)

If female space marines are ever introduced into the lore I just hope is treated with more care than GW's lazy retcon of for female Custodes. :P

Heck, as of Belisarius Cawl updating the process of making Space Marines maybe female candidates are possible know, all I ask is they're held to the same impossible standards that the male candidates are. XD

[StuartAce]

Thing is subjects like this are not always about woke vs anti woke. Some people just want to play games to escape reality, and not see female or blue haired space marines, while we have pride flags blowing in the wind next to imperial flags or something.

Politics and agenda drivel shouldnt be in games anyway, especially a game like this. Unless we are talking about politics in the traditional sense, which is fine.

If female space marines had always existed in the lore, then fine (i'm not a 40k expert but i doubt female marines were ever a part of the official lore).

[Nuke2099]

The reason why those female Marines didn't sell was them looking like garbage. If they made modern day female Marines and made them sexy for no reason other than sex sells then most of the audience would be interested because most of the playerbase are men.


If they made them basically normal Marines with different heads. That wouldn't sell to most people. Men doing men ♥♥♥♥ sells even to men. Men and women like seeing men do things. Why do you think male sports earns more money than female sports of the same type of sports. Men are more entertaining. Simple as that. That's why games such as Space Marine 2 which for lack of better words are similar to playing out a male power fantasy in a cool fictional badass world with cool characters sells.