Deep comparison of sniper’s weapons:

[Roan Shiran]

Deep comparison of sniper’s weapons:

Las Fusil:
+ can one tap majoris from stealth, highest dps
+ infinite penetration
+ highest range and accuracy
+ working ammo refund mechanic
+ staggers everything on hs
+ doesn’t need reload
+ very high total DMG in whole ammo
+ laser shot has big radius, so you dont have to aim as precisely as with bolt guns
+ can clear hordes, can clear majoris, can probably do laundry if you ask nicely


Bolt sniper rifle:
+ staggers everything on hs
+ quite high range (but below LF)
+ okish dmg, average dps (well below LF)
- almost half of total dmg in whole ammo in comparison to las fusil, has constant ammo problems
- its like LF but worse in every aspect

Stalker rifle:
+ better ammo efficiency than bolt sniper rifle
+ acceptable dmg
- no stagger, bullets tickles CMS, make world full of laughter and rolls
- limited range, due to spread cant snipe at longer distances

Marksman bolt carbine:
+ still not the worst of bolt rifles
- Like stalker but with worse dmg, worse range and more finger work

Regular bolt carbine:
+ you humiliate chaos space marines and tyranids by using it
- everything

I hope I didnt miss anything. We clearly see that devs put a great effort to game's balance. So, guys, which weapon do you find the best and why?

[Homer]

Bolt Sniper Rifle is the best

[Roan Shiran]

Originally posted by w10-20-2000:

I think regular bolt carabine and marksman are supposed to work with "melee" sniper build, like you can use them to quickly pop small enemies heads for cloak recharge and pick 100% melee damage on first hit that breaks cloak

Too bad block melee with highest damage is ass and combo system is broken as well

Yep, melee dmg even with sniper buffs is really bad. Moreover I dont think that carabine or marksman are that much better at clearing minoris than bolt pistol.

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by w10-20-2000:

So overall agree on every point, really wanted to use bolter sniper, but i constantly feel myself crippled by my own hands. Like i can be the best version of myself and switch to Las, or be a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ and stay with bolter

That alone shows, that the Bolt Sniper and Las Fusil need to be reworked to give both their individual purpose without making the other redundant.

For example increase the charge up time on the Las Fusil since it´s already superior in raw firepower and piercing value. That way the Bolt Sniper has an advantage in landing faster follow up shots and makes it a bit more forgiving on a miss.

[HHH]

There's not much to say about the las fusil that hasn't already been said. It's borderline OP.

The bolt sniper rifle can interrupt reinforcements faster than the las fusil, and if you're in melee with majoris enemies, it can be used at point blank more effectively after a gunstrike. Easy, instant executions if you're melee fighting. Besides that, it's probably the most awkward sniper weapon due to inconvenient breakpoints and being just as unwieldy as the more powerful las fusil.

The stalker bolter's the comfiest sniper weapon due to not needing to be scoped in for maximum accuracy. Its TTK is nothing to sneeze at if you're consistent with headshots. It's actually about comparable to the bolt sniper and possibly faster in some situations due to not being hampered by a scope. It still interrupts reinforcements with just 2 shots, comparable to the las fusil, but does it faster and more reliably.

The marksman carbine is a funny weapon but by no means terrible. It being semi-auto and having a large ammo pool can mean you can sit there proccing your camo cloak for a very, very long time while abusing the camo damage boost. You can solo entire heavy waves by yourself with just the ammo pool on this gun, for minimal risk and probably taking no damage the entire while, if you know how to weave in as many camo cloaks while being as efficient as possible. It definitely has a niche for that style of play because it does it best.

The regular carbine is a meme weapon.

[Sloths]

Originally posted by Roan Shiran:

Deep comparison of sniper’s weapons:

Las Fusil:
+ can one tap majoris from stealth, highest dps
+ infinite penetration
+ highest range and accuracy
+ working ammo refund mechanic
+ staggers everything on hs
+ doesn’t need reload
+ very high total DMG in whole ammo
+ laser shot has big radius, so you dont have to aim as precisely as with bolt guns
+ can clear hordes, can clear majoris, can probably do laundry if you ask nicely


Bolt sniper rifle:
+ staggers everything on hs
+ quite high range (but below LF)
+ okish dmg, average dps (well below LF)
- almost half of total dmg in whole ammo in comparison to las fusil, has constant ammo problems
- its like LF but worse in every aspect

Stalker rifle:
+ better ammo efficiency than bolt sniper rifle
+ acceptable dmg
- no stagger, bullets tickles CMS, make world full of laughter and rolls
- limited range, due to spread cant snipe at longer distances

Marksman bolt carbine:
+ still not the worst of bolt rifles
- Like stalker but with worse dmg, worse range and more finger work

Regular bolt carbine:
+ you humiliate chaos space marines and tyranids by using it
- everything

I hope I didnt miss anything. We clearly see that devs put a great effort to game's balance. So, guys, which weapon do you find the best and why?

Just a fyi the Stalker Bolt Rifle has the same range as the las fusil and bolt sniper just not as powerful of a zoom through the scope. It's pretty dead on even at range.

[Sloths]

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

Originally posted by w10-20-2000:

So overall agree on every point, really wanted to use bolter sniper, but i constantly feel myself crippled by my own hands. Like i can be the best version of myself and switch to Las, or be a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ and stay with bolter

That alone shows, that the Bolt Sniper and Las Fusil need to be reworked to give both their individual purpose without making the other redundant.

For example increase the charge up time on the Las Fusil since it´s already superior in raw firepower and piercing value. That way the Bolt Sniper has an advantage in landing faster follow up shots and makes it a bit more forgiving on a miss.

Well the bolt sniper does get more rounds and getting ammo back every shot just more ammo if you hit more targets. Las fusil can hitting packs, but bolt sniper because of Reloaded Restoration could could return more ammo giving you the ability to regen all your ammo on minoris packs. So that's a plus?

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by HHH:

The marksman carbine is a funny weapon but by no means terrible. It being semi-auto and having a large ammo pool can mean you can sit there proccing your camo cloak for a very, very long time while abusing the camo damage boost. You can solo entire heavy waves by yourself with just the ammo pool on this gun, for minimal risk and probably taking no damage the entire while, if you know how to weave in as many camo cloaks while being as efficient as possible. It definitely has a niche for that style of play because it does it best.

Personally, I can´t see myself using the Marksman carbine on a regular basis.
It feels like a discount Stalker for me.

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by Sloths:

Well the bolt sniper does get more rounds and getting ammo back every shot just more ammo if you hit more targets. Las fusil can hitting packs, but bolt sniper because of Reloaded Restoration could could return more ammo giving you the ability to regen all your ammo on minoris packs. So that's a plus?

That´s actually a good point since the Las Fusil can only regain 1 shot when killing more than 1 enemy, so each miss hurts more I guess.

[AonGreyFox]

One bad thing about Laz is hit box. If it happen to touch any terrain on the edge of beam, it'll get block. I can't count how many time I have to move to get a target almost at plain sight just to shoot it. Even chain or vine can block Laz's beam. You can even imaging how it feel when you shoot over the railing, cliff or some situation.

But still a best gun for sniper no doubt.

I wish bolt sniper have far more powerful than this. Give it no penetration and absolute power that make Range Majoris envy and cry to their Hive Mind for eternity.

[Teran]

Few negative ponts on the las fusile you missed.

- There is a delay before it shoots.
- Projectile radius causes terrain to eat your shots, even stuff like those hanging chains and vines. The las fusile does not penetrate these terrain features and if any part of the fusile shot touches one of these vines the whole shot is blocked. Same is true for the demons with shields but most of us sniper mains learned to aim high in those situations.

I just got my bolt sniper rifle up to purple quality and I can say it's one of the worst weapons I've used in the game on any class. The stalker is far preferable.

[Sloths]

Originally posted by AonGreyFox:

One bad thing about Laz is hit box. If it happen to touch any terrain on the edge of beam, it'll get block. I can't count how many time I have to move to get a target almost at plain sight just to shoot it. Even chain or vine can block Laz's beam. You can even imaging how it feel when you shoot over the railing, cliff or some situation.

But still a best gun for sniper no doubt.

I wish bolt sniper have far more powerful than this. Give it no penetration and absolute power that make Range Majoris envy and cry to their Hive Mind for eternity.

That actually happen to me today. Kept shooting a tyranid sniping and thinking why is it not dying here. Then I slowed down and actually paid attention. Yep sure enough the rounds were getting stopped by this branch that was poking out just enough to block it.

[AonGreyFox]

Originally posted by Sloths:

That actually happen to me today. Kept shooting a tyranid sniping and thinking why is it not dying here. Then I slowed down and actually paid attention. Yep sure enough the rounds were getting stopped by this branch that was poking out just enough to block it.

I can't tell how much I cry when I able to stop reinforcement and my shot got block. By a vine, branch or tiny poke of the rock and put my teammate in danger. Still, I can't go back to other rifle now. It's just too good ; w ;

[Silverquick]

Well I did try out Sniper too for a bit,

I think if Bolt Sniper had a lot more ammo than it currently does it might be a good alternate. LF, really deadly but low ammo, Bolt Sniper lot of ammo, but not as deadly might work out.

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by Silverquick:

Well I did try out Sniper too for a bit,

I think if Bolt Sniper had a lot more ammo than it currently does it might be a good alternate. LF, really deadly but low ammo, Bolt Sniper lot of ammo, but not as deadly might work out.

What also hurts it´s performance (and not only him) is his weapon perk tree.
Two 25% better hipfire accuracy for a fully flegded Sniper rifle, with low magazine and ammo reserves and being wholly reliant on his headshot multiplier doesn´t make sence.

[Sloths]

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

Originally posted by Silverquick:

Well I did try out Sniper too for a bit,

I think if Bolt Sniper had a lot more ammo than it currently does it might be a good alternate. LF, really deadly but low ammo, Bolt Sniper lot of ammo, but not as deadly might work out.

What also hurts it´s performance (and not only him) is his weapon perk tree.
Two 25% better hipfire accuracy for a fully flegded Sniper rifle, with low magazine and ammo reserves and being wholly reliant on his headshot multiplier doesn´t make sence.

Ya really, I mean are there really people hip firing that thing? Seems like out of place perks.