Why tf does the heavy of all classes have ammo problems....

[GamingSucksTheseDays]

having nothing but a minigun to slap people with wouldnt ya think 1k-1.5k rounds would be more suitable for a Heavy demigod super soldier... would also make it hella fun if you lessened the health and increase #s on adds

[ForTehNguyen]

heavy bolter (per lore) shouldnt take multiple shots to kill a gaunt, should buff the damage a lot but also reduce the ammo reserve

[Realmonster]

sometimes you can get unlucky on the bonus ammo crates, but even on ruthless if you're being conservative with your ammo and using your secondary when you can you shouldnt be having too many problems with ammo. just make sure you arent wasting ammo on misses and little groups that dont call for heavy firepower.

also, make sure you get the additional supplies team perk, that gets you 25% more ammo. if somebody tell you to get the other 2 perks tell them to git gud and dont get hit, the deficiency is theirs and not your problem.

i also recommend using the gathalamore crusade - alpha with the higher accuracy and speccing it for lower spread and more penetration. it turns into a sniper rifle and you'll be wasting a lot less ammo on both misses and gaunt hordes.

the melee attacks heavy has are pretty good too. the stomp is very useful for dealing with gaunts and gives you a gun strike on every stomp. if you only have 1 - 3 warriors on you then just sit there and parry them if you can, the heavy parry works just fine

all that is the same for lethal too, except you do have to be a bit more mindful of your ammo

[AoD_lexandro]

A heavy bolter round should decimate a gaunt and make sludge out of warriors. Its way to weak in game and feels like its just a rapid fire bolter.

[Perturabo]

You're probably a bad shot, or you are trying to max the class on a melta weapon. LEARN YOUR CLASS on EASIER DIFFICULTIES and then play it later on harder ones so you can make a difference.
(If you shoot a guant in the head, they die with the heavy bolter. Every time. If your weapon is not fit for the difficulty that you're playing, then that is a YOU problem not a weapon problem. You're playing as an astartes so act like one. AIM FOR THE HEAD

[AoD_lexandro]

Originally posted by Perturabo:

You're probably a bad shot, or you are trying to max the class on a melta weapon. LEARN YOUR CLASS on EASIER DIFFICULTIES and then play it later on harder ones so you can make a difference.
(If you shoot a guant in the head, they die with the heavy bolter. Every time. If your weapon is not fit for the difficulty that you're playing, then that is a YOU problem not a weapon problem. You're playing as an astartes so act like one. AIM FOR THE HEAD

Dude kindly stop acting superior. A HS with a bolt pistol will kill gaunt, your excusing bad design and trying to use git gud arguments for an obvious issue in balance. It is laughable.

[evil]

Originally posted by Stelios:

having nothing but a minigun to slap people with wouldnt ya think 1k-1.5k rounds would be more suitable for a Heavy demigod super soldier... would also make it hella fun if you lessened the health and increase #s on adds

He doesn't! I never run out of ammo with heavy on lethal. Even on not on chaos maps where i pick the -20$ range damage team perk.

If you want to feel running out of ammo, play sniper. That needs some management. But heavy? No way!

[Baltimoron]

If you're running out of ammo its a pure skill issue.

[Sloths]

Originally posted by Stelios:

having nothing but a minigun to slap people with wouldnt ya think 1k-1.5k rounds would be more suitable for a Heavy demigod super soldier... would also make it hella fun if you lessened the health and increase #s on adds

They do? I've played ruthless and lethal with heavy and used the heavy bolter and never ran out. I was shooting almost constantly. I honestly don't know how you run out between crates and refill stations. Let alone stray ammo boxes. The teams I have played with(for the most part) were always very good about leaving any ammo boxes for the heavy unless there was a sniper then he got the ammo. The gun erases any minoris and if head hunting can pretty easily shred apart majoris types. I would typically hit a ranged enemy or if friendly engaged with a majoris focus fire that one until it went into execute. Are you unloading all your rounds into blocking enemies?

[Jakob]

There are lots of options for stacking ammo on the Heavy, you should be fine. Two other important factors:
1. The Accuracy Version is great for conserving ammo and hitting those heads.
2. Pick your targets! Generally you don't want to go all out with your primary on some trash melee Majoris. Focus the ranged threats instead.

[All Day I Dream About🪓]

It’s a RNG thing. Just played several missions on Lethal as heavy and was doing fine. Later another mission - Fall of Atreus - right at the beginning AI director went nuts and in 5 minute span threw at me a total of 30 or 40 chaos space marines, not even talking about several terminators and a sorcerer. Barely got away without any ammo, however rest of the mission went fine and I always had ammo. But I also was running that section in the beginning with bots cause first guy left almost immediately and another 2 dudes joined a bit later. Since bots don’t do jack I had to fight stuff on my own so there is that.

[Grim@FU_BARRACUDA]

Because Saber thought its a good idea to run out of ammo in or after every single fight and i noticed this in the campaign again just now. Yeah i really tried the campaign again after a month of a break. Its so insane, you have 140 shots for your auto bolter, in a horde shooter game. While you also have countless ammo boxes lying around, wich you have to pick up with "e", one by one and each gives you one mag of 35 back. Now imagine it, there are 500 enemys coming at you, do you get the idea? If you like shooting in this game wich ahs more ranged weapons then meele weapons, you are busy with running around to collect all the ammo. Try it out on Angel of Death if you dont believe me, just for fun take the bolt carbine. In the operations you have at least more ammo, but weak bolters are still a problem there. When you paly the campaign, you really get the impression, that a lot was cut :-/

[Perturabo]

Originally posted by AoD_lexandro:

Originally posted by Perturabo:

You're probably a bad shot, or you are trying to max the class on a melta weapon. LEARN YOUR CLASS on EASIER DIFFICULTIES and then play it later on harder ones so you can make a difference.
(If you shoot a guant in the head, they die with the heavy bolter. Every time. If your weapon is not fit for the difficulty that you're playing, then that is a YOU problem not a weapon problem. You're playing as an astartes so act like one. AIM FOR THE HEAD

Dude kindly stop acting superior. A HS with a bolt pistol will kill gaunt, your excusing bad design and trying to use git gud arguments for an obvious issue in balance. It is laughable.

Dude your complaints about an insanely imbalanced universe are comical. A Power sword should cut through anything in the game. A thunder hammer should hit with the force of a meteor. A plasma gun should completely melt anything it hits, really. A bolter should be able to penetrate the thickest of armors.
You're never going to get the balance you want because they cannot match the lore to the game without making it completely boring to play. That is why. I'm not trying to be superior. I am just playing the game the way it was designed and creating opportunities to improve based on what I've got, you know like one has to do everywhere else in life.
The game will never be designed perfectly. Stop complaining.

[Perturabo]

Originally posted by AoD_lexandro:

A heavy bolter round should decimate a gaunt and make sludge out of warriors. Its way to weak in game and feels like its just a rapid fire bolter.

You don't see anyone complaining about how under-powered a Power sword is when the lore makes it SO OP and rare. It can cut through astartes armor like paper as long as the opponent doesn't parry with one of his own. Its hilarious to me that you complain about this GAME when it is just a game. It will never match your fantasies of 40k perfectly. Stop expecting it to and just learn to enjoy it the way it is. It. Will. Never. Be. 100%. Lore. Accurate.

[Shrade]

In Straven's own words "I focus on efficiency and ammo conservation". Try that. Get the accuracy bolter and always be going for headshots. There will be times where the game gives you no ammo during long sections and it can be rough, but you just have to learn how to deal with it. You can even purposefully take damage to drop below 30% health and then regen the contested health to activate the bolters ammo regen perk. Just never run youself completely dry or you may have a hard time getting your health back.

[AoD_lexandro]

Originally posted by Perturabo:

Originally posted by AoD_lexandro:

A heavy bolter round should decimate a gaunt and make sludge out of warriors. Its way to weak in game and feels like its just a rapid fire bolter.

You don't see anyone complaining about how under-powered a Power sword is when the lore makes it SO OP and rare. It can cut through astartes armor like paper as long as the opponent doesn't parry with one of his own. Its hilarious to me that you complain about this GAME when it is just a game. It will never match your fantasies of 40k perfectly. Stop expecting it to and just learn to enjoy it the way it is. It. Will. Never. Be. 100%. Lore. Accurate.

Your comparing it to a melee weapon. That is nonsensical. It is a gun, not a sword. Both alternatives to the heavy bolter devastate multiple units in one shot. The HB has a far higher TTK per unit and higher ammo expenditure because of it. I never at any point mentioned lore, so your entire rant in that regard is moot

The HB comped to the alternatives is sub-par and ammo heavy. It is clearly an inferior choice.