Stop using crap Bolters at Ruthless and above

[YARD_STALEV]

For a change I play melee — Bulwark and Assault.
In the Melta Era I was sure that Tactical and Vanguard teammates are able to clear hords while I could get to snipers or vice versa.
Now people try to play bolter at Ruthless which is often a total disaster: they neither clear hords, nor deal with Snipers.
Please, upgrade your Bolters to Relic and then play Rithless.

[TressTM]

There is nothing worse than letting your brothers down

[EmperorVolo]

Maybe they are leveling them for the achievement. Bulwark has it easy you can basically do Ruthless by yourself so why does it matter?

[Realmonster]

idk if you've been paying attention, but taking a couple shots at a warrior will cause them to initiate an attack, letting you get a perfect parry to stagger them and open a lot of opportunities in combat. also, after you get a perfect parry, if you ADS and get a few headshots while theyre under the mini-auspex you can do more damage than a gunstrike

[Epathos]

Originally posted by Realmonster:

idk if you've been paying attention, but taking a couple shots at a warrior will cause them to initiate an attack, letting you get a perfect parry to stagger them and open a lot of opportunities in combat. also, after you get a perfect parry, if you ADS and get a few headshots while theyre under the mini-auspex you can do more damage than a gunstrike

Learning is hard for most

[Øv]

Originally posted by YARD_STALEV:

For a change I play melee — Bulwark and Assault.
In the Melta Era I was sure that Tactical and Vanguard teammates are able to clear hords while I could get to snipers or vice versa.
Now people try to play bolter at Ruthless which is often a total disaster: they neither clear hords, nor deal with Snipers.
Please, upgrade your Bolters to Relic and then play Rithless.

on ruthles som of the bolters are viabel and as long as you have a max lvl pistol and mele you vil be fine on ruthles no matter what bolter you are lvl'ing op.

on lethal hovever bolters are crap

[Grim@FU_BARRACUDA]

Ha ha ha this is so incredibly good, I could scream with laughter. Of course people now want to play bolter after the "bolter buff". But because this buff was only half-hearted like everything Saber does in my personal opinion, the bolters are of course still too weak for it ...

Ha ha ha xD

Omg this is pure real life satire, simply delicious I could roll with laughter, really ;-)

Saber, finally buff the bolters properly so that people can finally play a real Space Marine 2 by the emperor the name of this game is Space Marine, they use bolters !!!

Thanks for the thread, I haven't laughed so hard in a long time, really ;-)

[Sloths]

Originally posted by YARD_STALEV:

For a change I play melee — Bulwark and Assault.
In the Melta Era I was sure that Tactical and Vanguard teammates are able to clear hords while I could get to snipers or vice versa.
Now people try to play bolter at Ruthless which is often a total disaster: they neither clear hords, nor deal with Snipers.
Please, upgrade your Bolters to Relic and then play Rithless.

What are you talking about bolters shred minoris. It's a bullet or two in the head then you add in more hits depending on piercing value and it decimates hordes. If it's tyranid all those little minoris bubble heads are at a certain height. Just aim at that height and see heads popping left and right.

I think it's worse to bring along a melta. Get to a boss you screw your team. People hate zoanthropes and neurothopes well if you have someone with a melta minimal help there. Any weapon ranged or melee can clear a horde easily. Sure a melta can stagger groups of majoris but why even stun them? Let them fire off attacks. All those are free parries for gun strikes. So many characters get nice buffs from gun strikes it benefits you to try and keep the uptime on those as much as possible.

[Voldo]

If you cant parry a Scarab Occult Terminator combo you shouldn't demand anything.

[HHH]

I try not to judge my teammates until I can see what they can do, but I've literally carried ruthless games as a sniper with a crappy mastercrafted stalker bolter. Here's one where the tactical and vanguard had a relic GL and melta gun and died a collective 7 times, and I was carrying the gene seed, and I pretty much had to solo the hive tyrant on top of that:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3357502387

Took a half-baked bolter into lethal as well and it was fine. You mostly use them for taking out trash anyways, and those still die in 1 headshot on high difficulties. You can get by with just a relic bolt pistol and chainsword/knife with minimal effort in 90% of situations. If you have a good understanding of the parry system and good game sense, it's really hard to die unless you make very stupid mistakes, especially as the stronger carry classes such as a sniper or bulwark.

And this is not meant to brag, it's just to show that it's perfectly viable if the player is good and understands the game.

[Shining_Darkness]

Originally posted by YARD_STALEV:

For a change I play melee — Bulwark and Assault.
In the Melta Era I was sure that Tactical and Vanguard teammates are able to clear hords while I could get to snipers or vice versa.
Now people try to play bolter at Ruthless which is often a total disaster: they neither clear hords, nor deal with Snipers.
Please, upgrade your Bolters to Relic and then play Rithless.

How are they meant to "upgrade to relic" if they are not playing ruthless?

Please learn how the game works before belittling you bothers.

[Grognard]

Originally posted by YARD_STALEV:

For a change I play melee — Bulwark and Assault.
In the Melta Era I was sure that Tactical and Vanguard teammates are able to clear hords while I could get to snipers or vice versa.
Now people try to play bolter at Ruthless which is often a total disaster: they neither clear hords, nor deal with Snipers.
Please, upgrade your Bolters to Relic and then play Rithless.

Why clear hordes when you can keep them around to top off armor? Also everyone should be hunting for the snipers and other ranged majoris.

[Pendragon]

Back then Ruthless is easy enough that you can bring grey/green weapons and you won't be a net negative to your team. Since the patch bringing a grey/green weapon is asking for a team wipe especially if the others are also leveling up tertiary guns and you can't kill hordes fast enough.

[BigJ]

My man doesn't know:
- Stalker bolt rifle
- Heavy bolter
- Bolt sniper
- Heavy bolt pistol
- Heavy bolt rifle
- Bolt rifle (GL)

Lethal can be completed with auto bolters as seen by my clip, but I understand if you don't like teamates using them due to ammo and time.

[Draescan]

The Stalker bolter has always been " fine " it needs more ammo for the sniper IMO but it's fine. The other bolt rifle options aren't an issue on Ruthless I use them all the time and I'm usually keeping up with the snipers and meta-slave vanguards using nothing but meltas. That's with purples too, only have the gold stalker bolter for now since I don't get to play tactical very often. Even less so these days for obvious reasons.

I do think the bolters (god primaris patterns are ♥♥♥♥) still need adjusting but I have no doubt in my mind they're just as viable now as they were before the....well technically it was a buff but it didn't really change their overall performance really. People mis-using them is the most common thing I see, not bad bolter performance. It's just not a fun or satisfying class of weapon to use. Heavy Bolter isn't part of the discussion. It was fine before it's fine now.

[YARD_STALEV]

Originally posted by EmperorVolo:

Maybe they are leveling them for the achievement. Bulwark has it easy you can basically do Ruthless by yourself so why does it matter?

Idk but they (Tactical and Vanguards, and often Snipers) ignor Zoanthropes and RNG's and rush forward doing bolting «pew-pew» ))
Playing Assault and Bulwark I am often Last Stand, but I even cannot get to «superheroes» lying down somewhere far beyond.